Really fucking tired of these 'angry' punk bands...

[heugel]

Dead Kennedys were about something? right. Kill the poor? That didn't happen in america dumb ass, therefore the arguement meant nothing in their music

That's a pretty fucking elitist statement to make, seeing as you're the one trying to give us the lowdown on the meaning of "punk music."

It's people like YOU who need to open your eyes.

[He Hate Me]

lol- I don't think you're understanding one bit. Punk was about not conforming and not living within the system, and you say you know that, but yet you say the SEX PISTOLS!? were punk? The Sex Pistols were put together by a manager, none of them knew each other, and it was a simple revolutionary music movement to get people to rebel against the things that they said they didnt like. Sid Vicious was a scrubby no life, who had the image of a "Punker" so they picked him up, knowing he had no idea how to play the bass, And you have fuckers like Johnny Rotten who have this unbelieveabley whiney voice who thinks he's so hardcore, but actually just a skinny prick who has no sense of reality what so ever. They were an ABC televised band, Get over it. same with the clash, Televised Punk rock, Sold out, They were never punk.

You're in the minority here. To say the Clash and The Sex Pistols aren't punk is like saying water isn't wet, the sky isn't blue, and Furor doesn't like Depeche Mode. I'm sorry, but I also have to say that your opinion is wrong.

If you want to talk about whos REALLY punk, perhaps you should think about Operation Ivy, Minor Threat, or Choking victim, Perhaps even Leftover Crack.

Look up the history of punk music, or do some research on it. You will find that bands such as The Sex Pistols, The New York Dolls, The Stooges, MC5, Joy Division, The Clash, The Ramones, Television and The Fugs will be mentioned in the history of punk rock before any of the bands you mentioned.

Just about any musical historian, critic or musician will tell you that The Sex Pistols and The Clash were not only punk, but they heavily influenced that genre of music into the present day. Your anti-Pistols/Clash/Kennedys posts are nothing more than that. You don't like those bands. Good for you. So what if you're not their biggest fan? Doesn't mean they're not punk.

I don't really care if you fuckers think im wrong lol. You all have no idea what punk rock is

I think you're about as punk as Michael Jackson is black. I'd like to hear more about your version of the history of punk music as it pertains to you in your world than these poorly thought out rantings you're spewing on this thread.

These little snippets from your latest ranting make me go... "huh?"...

Dead Kennedys is a god awful band. I don't care if you disagree, get your mouth off Jello's dead ass. and open your eyes. I never said it was bad music. its just about fucking nothing.

The Sex Pistols were shit, as well as Dead Kennedys.

Lyricists like JELLO and JOHNNY ROTTEN, are horrible.

So, the Dead Kennedys were shit, a god awful band, and Jello was a horrible lyricist but you never said they were bad music? I think you've nailed down a position there, Mr. Quayle.

Then you're fucking stupid. Go to college, get an education. Do something with your life. as for Yeta or Yeti, whatever the fuck his name is, I'm not here to be proper and check my spelling. and make sure my paragraphs are in right form. This isn't english 101.

This is just utter nonsense. Certain people are stupid and need an education, but you can throw together poorly thought out arguements and the rules don't apply to you? You can make posts that look like Chinese polygons, and make about as much sense as the Iraqi Information Minister yet you're the only one who knows anything about punk music? ("There are no punk infidels in England! Never!"). That right there tells me you're nothing more than a complete windbag.

Some references guides for you...

Brief overview of punk music

Sex Pistols

The Clash

If you peruse the sites with the info on The Clash and the Pistols, you won't even find mention of Minor Threat or The Dead Kennedys. Of course, they are also in a different era of punk music, but if you're talking the roots of punk and of some of the most influential punk groups see: Clash, The and Sex Pistols, The.

You simply cannot deny their impact on punk music. Not liking a band, or an artist is one thing, but to say they aren't something they clearly are is foolish. I'm not saying the bands that you mentioned aren't punk, but you need to give credit where credit is due.

You could say that you didn't deny their impact, but you did say they weren't punk. And why? Because they appeared on television? That doesn't hold water, I'm sorry.

[Worfless]

The Sex Pistols were a punk band, but they were not punk

[He Hate Me]

Everyone has a different definition of what it means to be "punk" I suppose. I refer to the music, not the lifestyle.

[Jimmee]

They brought anti establishment music to the establishment, which is fairly punk as oppposed to staying stuck in a back slapping scene of self congratulation of how punk they are.

And perhaps my ideas about home ownership are tempered from where I live. Here much of the tax money goes to schools and hospitals, by dodging tax you're helping perpetuating ignorance and ill health.

[Zurren]

I could be wrong, and have my punk history a bit mixed up, but, wernt the sex pistols put together by a manager for the sake of selling bondage clothing/'the punk image'?

Regardless, I think punk has (sadly?) broken down into a few groups. There is

- the punk sound
- the punk look
- the punk attitude/lifestyle

and none of them are all that interconnected anymore. Kids dress up and look punk, but run around listening to Nickel Back which isnt even punk at all, then you have bands which are cashing in on the sound, but dont have the attitude.

Then, there are bands out there, which have a pretty 'punkish' attitude, but the music they make sounds nothing like what people think punk should soundlike.

Personnaly, I'd have a hard time putting GC into any of the groups, their sound is pop-rock, and I find it hard to say they have a 'punk look' when the lead singer hops around in his video's wearing a 500dollar tracksuit.

but, omgomgomg, he has black eyemakeup! how hardcore.

[Attman_Eci]

Originally posted by BruuceWarduck
where is those lyrics do you see anything about saying 'i wish i didnt get picked last in gym class' or 'man my life sux'

They want to cut their veins. They are telling us "man my life sux".

"Personnaly, I'd have a hard time putting GC into any of the groups, their sound is pop-rock, and I find it hard to say they have a 'punk look' when the lead singer hops around in his video's wearing a 500dollar tracksuit.

but, omgomgomg, he has black eyemakeup! how hardcore."

/agree

[Worfless]

as oppposed to staying stuck in a back slapping scene of self congratulation of how punk they are.

that's the problem with the scene =/ you can't get famous. but there is a difference in having punk intentions and being stuck in the scene and being assembled, doing heroin, and hating eachother but gaining fame on the feel of the music.

fugazi is stuck in the backslapping scene, but they're humble and it makes a difference. they just don't want that attention

[decairn]

Punk was about attitude, and politcally much was to do with anarchy due to the anti-state establishment ideals that went with it. It was a lifestyle, in much the same way being a 'hippie' is a lifestyle. Do you see any hippie bands getting MTV time today? Heck no, that time has come and gone. So has punk. I expect there are still punks out there, the likes of Good Charlotte are a far cry from it all though.

UK Subs 4 ever.

[Zurren]

The thing that piss's me off more then 'angry punk bands', are scum trash street-punks begging on the street corner.

That bucketload of manic-panic or punky colour to keep their hair neon blue isnt cheap

the leather jacket they have on, prob cost them a fair bit also, not to mention the extra $60 bucks in metal studs they tossed onto it for the sake of looking 'hardcore'

those shiney new 20+ hole doc martins arnt exactly your $20 dollar pay-less bargin find

the tattoos running up their arms, and the 200 holes they have in their face + the jewlery (it dont come cheap) probably set them back a pretty penny also.

Maintaing this so called 'punk look' costs alot of money.

Maybe if they didnt dump hundres of dollars into looking punk, they wouldnt be standing on the street corner begging for cash.

begging-street punks piss me off.

[AngryGerbil]

The most annoying thing about punk is that on every message board in existence, even one about christian basket weaving, there will eventually be an argument about who is truly punk and who is not.

[Templor]

Originally posted by Searos
By the way Jimmee:
They didnt want a house cause you get taxxed on it dumb fuck. flex your head. Thanks.

I guess they stole all their food, clothes, water, guitars, and somehow managed to avoid paying any taxes reguarding their record company....

[khanibal]

even one about christian basket weaving,

LOL

[Tancred]

The problem with discussing punk is that there's always some poseur cunt trying to prove they're more punk than everyone else.
"Real punk died the day The Damned released their first record"
"No, REAL punk died the day The Clash did"
"Nah, REAL REAL PUNK died the day Johnny Rotten picked up a microphone"

Fuck off, eh?

But yes, today's crop of "punk" bands seem to me to just be a bunch of whiney middle class brats bitching about fuck all. They can shut right up, thanks.

[Wysha]

Limp Bizkit is the best punk band to date.

They had it all, the image, attitude, and sound.