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Old 06-04-2003, 08:37 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Not everyone that dl's movies and songs doesn't support the industry.
Paying for your Big Gulp doesn't really make sticking those Skittles in your pocket not stealing.
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I never rent movies.
You don't need to...you download em.


But hey...to each his/her own. Just next time you complain about that $10 movie ticket price, or that $17 CD price...know it's helping pay for those that you (and others) got for free.
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Old 06-04-2003, 09:16 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I think you're completely over-reacting. It is possible to download movies to your P.C. and still buy the DVD. If the movie is good, many people go out and buy it for the DVD quality. The other choice is to rent the movie, but if I'm going to spend money on a movie in any form I'd like to make sure it's worth spending money on. Otherwise, you're basically playing the lottery, most of the time risking getting a good movie or a bad movie for the price of a couple dollars. If the movie sucks, it gets deleted from the hard-drive. I think it's completely lame to expect someone to spend their money risking getting a shitty movie.

And please don't say check reviews or ask your friends instead of downloading, how many friends do we have who said Mortal Kombat Anhilations was the greatest movie ever made?
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Old 06-05-2003, 03:43 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I think you're completely over-reacting. It is possible to download movies to your P.C. and still buy the DVD. If the movie is good, many people go out and buy it for the DVD quality. The other choice is to rent the movie, but if I'm going to spend money on a movie in any form I'd like to make sure it's worth spending money on. Otherwise, you're basically playing the lottery, most of the time risking getting a good movie or a bad movie for the price of a couple dollars.
And for every person that downloads the movie and buys the DVD later, 5 others don't buy the DVD.

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If the movie sucks, it gets deleted from the hard-drive. I think it's completely lame to expect someone to spend their money risking getting a shitty movie.
I think its completely lame to pay for bad food at a restaurant. I mean, the people went through all that hard work making the food, and then you don't like it. So, if it tastes bad, imo I think we shouldn't pay the cook for his hard work and effort, don't you agree?
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Old 06-05-2003, 04:09 AM   #19 (permalink)
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how many friends do we have who said Mortal Kombat Anhilations was the greatest movie ever made?
I own Mortal Combat: Annilation on a recommendation of a friend




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Old 06-05-2003, 07:01 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Unless you own every CD that you have MP3's for, then shut the fuck up Dr. Funkenstein.
hey jesus freak of the digitized industry, I think you were just shut the fuck up. Your crusade be over.
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Old 06-05-2003, 07:03 AM   #21 (permalink)
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usenet has the largest content for dnloaded anything really. they even have daily contributions of like tv programs, simpsons, friends, 24, etc...

I'd go there if I were you.
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Old 06-05-2003, 07:09 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Old 06-06-2003, 09:02 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Old 06-06-2003, 05:30 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Old 06-06-2003, 06:10 PM   #25 (permalink)
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And for every person that downloads the movie and buys the DVD later, 5 others don't buy the DVD.
And that's something that can be addressed, but the over-all system and idea behind file sharing is a sound one. Because people abuse it does not mean the system itself is wrong - it's the people who abuse it who are wrong. You can use this just like the gun argument, because some people abuse guns does not mean the gun itself is wrong. Therefore, the industries can and should learn from the people like myself, and MANY others who do purchase goods after seeing a good movie off the net. There is a solid business plan in this approach.

Right now file sharing is equal to looting mindset in people. We know it's wrong but we still do it anyway because we feel we deserve it. This should suggest that the people aren't happy with the current entertainment industry, but it doesn't. This is just human greed abusing a sound system.

By the way, it's really more like for everyone 1 person who buys, about 50 don't. But that can be changed if the entertainment industries adopted their own Kazaa like approach to a business model. In order to compete they have to offer incentives over services like Kazaa that operate for free. It's not as hard as one would think to pull this off. You'll never win over the hard-core computer geeks, but you can win over the masses.

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I think its completely lame to pay for bad food at a restaurant. I mean, the people went through all that hard work making the food, and then you don't like it. So, if it tastes bad, imo I think we shouldn't pay the cook for his hard work and effort, don't you agree?
That's a poor argument. If I get bad food anywhere I will demand they replace it or give me a refund, and I've never been to a restaurant that has not cooperated. With food they will comply based on both preference and physical problems, i.e. wrong ingredients and i.e. I just don't like it. With movies you can get refunded only for physical problems, i.e. it doesn't work. The point I'm making is the entertainment industry can learn from this model of business - give people cheap, short term samples at a lesser quality for a set period of time with the option of purchasing the full version later. The software companies have followed this approach for years with great success. Of course, don't give the consumer the whole movie, just enough to get them into the plot to see if they like it.

You didn't post much of a response so I don't want to dig into assumptions of your perspective but you seem to be one who believes it is morally wrong to download free movies/songs. I agree - and I don't think there's many who would disagree. The point is there's a growing business model here that the entertainment industries should utilize themselves (Host their own file-sharing networks, offer incentives over the free ones, offer online downloads from multiple users (give the users incentives to host) etc. Crushing file sharing isn't going to work - the problem are the people who as you mentioned don't in return buy the goods they enjoy. That needs to be dealt with through changing the system.

I could go on for hours about business models that could act as the basis of experiments to test this, but I'll spare everyone.

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Old 06-06-2003, 07:11 PM   #26 (permalink)
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when in mirc, and in the tmd moviez channel, how do you download the movie when someone advertises it? im newbie mirc user
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Old 06-06-2003, 09:02 PM   #27 (permalink)
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my orig Pretty Hate Machine CD got too scratched to play anymore),
I swear to god, I seriously think there was something wrong with the way that CD was manufactured or something. My copy stopped working 3 days after I got it, hardly scratched at all. Like 5 other people I know own a non-working PHM CD aswell hehe.

As for pirating music/movies. Fuck'em! The less money I give to Hollywood the less funding Israel gets. All those rich, Jewish media mogels throw money at that shit like there is no tomorrow. It makes them feel like they are a part of something bigger then their cell phone, designer half-tint brown sunglasses and fucking four ton SUV. I don't want any part of it.

Besides, most of the shit Hollywood puts out these days isn't even worth downloading let alone pay for. The only reason I even bother watching the crap anymore is the same principle of why I watch golden girls reruns and gazelle freestyle infomercials...there is nothing better to do.
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Old 06-06-2003, 09:36 PM   #28 (permalink)
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when in mirc, and in the tmd moviez channel, how do you download the movie when someone advertises it? im newbie mirc user
Pretty much anyone that advertises should also tell you how in the advertisement. I'm no mIRC pro at all, but it's usually /send (bot's name) xdcc #(the number listed before the file). I think that's it, someone correct me if i'm wrong. Hmm now that i think about it, it might have been /get instead of /send. One of those is wrong...
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Old 06-06-2003, 09:41 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Most people only download movies that they wouldn't buy anyway.

I always buy my favorite movies because I want perfect quality and any extras on the DVD. If it's just something I "wouldn't mind seeing" I'll download, watch the typical shit quality rip, and then shitcan it.

Why feel guilty about it? The artists who are supposedly "losing money" are still getting rich, and so are the record labels and/or movie studios.
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Old 06-13-2003, 12:11 AM   #30 (permalink)
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everyone download some porn, RIGHT NOW......it'll make you feel better!
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