new Star Trek movie : Nemesis...

[Xaen]

I haven't enjoyed a single ST:TNG movie yet. I was a big fan of the first two seasons (Or was it three.. after the Borg deal, it turned into a freaking Soap Opera and I wanted to puke).. They always go into some very violent situations. Later on it got too hippy.

Enterprise .. I dig it somewhat, however, it's getting the hippy treatment as well. They have loads of action, but no one ever gets injured other than a broken arm after a 20 minute phaser battle. I'd like to see people screaming in pain and they get their faces burned off instead. Get on par with the original ST series/movies that got us all hooked.

[Millie]

I've never been much of a Star Trek geek, but I did love TNG. (Never really watched TOS, at all -- nor do I plan to). Yes, the Enterprise pretty much beat the shit out of anyone Picard and company encountered. But hey -- that's what made the Borg so refreshing. Finally, a baddie race that could 'pwn' all of Starfleet with a single cube.

Unfortunately, if predictably, the Borg became too popular for their own good. Episode after episode began to feature them, and their 'weaknesses' were revealed (I groaned each time the Enterprise found a cheesy, deus-ex-machina way to beat them).

Voyager took things WAY too far with the introduction of an "uber," Borg-killing race (Species 32985363465 or whatever) -- which, in my opinion, signaled just how low the series could go. The Borg were SO cool when they were mysterious, cold, and virtually unstoppable. Voyager turned them, and nearly the Star Trek franchise, into utter trash.

DS9 was an inconsistent series for most of its run. Sure, it had its great story arcs and continuing plotlines every now and then. But for every good episode, there was a "filler" episode. The writers got lazy enough to create a comic-book-style parallel universe. Things got stupid. But then, as if by heavenly decree, things picked back up. Seasons 6 and 7 were utterly amazing. The morality play was great, the plot was engrossing, and the characters gained much needed depth. It's funny -- I never really cared too much about this series until it ended. Somewhat tragic, as that seems to have been the case with most DS9 fans. They 'rediscover' the series long after its cancellation.

I haven't had the time to watch Enterprise all that much. It's been very entertaining from the few episodes I've seen. I'm not sure how long the writers can keep up the premise, though. Prequels can go only so far before they start running afoul of continuity with the other shows.

[Samus Aran]

But I saw the first episode of Enterprise. Was fairly good, it's the only one I've seen. If the others were that good, then excellent, it's worth keeping. Wasn't a Voyager fan and never really watched any of the others.

Vulcan chick had nice tits though, most definately

[Schezanna]

Millie, some of the 'filler' episodes were the best of the series. One that sticks for me particularly was the one where Sisko gets trapped in subspace, appearing only to Jake at specific intervals throughout his life. In order to save his father Jake has to kill himself at their final meeting. It added a lot of depth to both characters, and never fails to make me sniffle when I see it.

[Millie]

Originally posted by Schezanna
Millie, some of the 'filler' episodes were the best of the series. One that sticks for me particularly was the one where Sisko gets trapped in subspace, appearing only to Jake at specific intervals throughout his life. In order to save his father Jake has to kill himself at their final meeting. It added a lot of depth to both characters, and never fails to make me sniffle when I see it.

Well, that's more a "character development" episode than a "filler" episode.

I define "filler" as something which does not further the character development or the overall plotline of the series. In essence, a filler episode is an episode where nothing has changed at the end -- for better or for worse. It's an episode whose absence from the series would not have made any real difference. Good examples would be the parallel universe episodes, the baseball episode, or the one where Worf joins the terrorists on Risa.

[skalls]

i think one of the best ds9 episodes was where O'brien went undercover in the orion syndicate to uncover the dominion link.

The first few seasons were ok, but the last 2 1/4 seasons were excellent(things started to get rolling in the 5th season).

Voyager wasnt all that good. I watched it but there was definitely something missing from the show.

Shortly after the first season was over my cable provider lost its UPN provider and they were supposed to get it back in september so im missing out on Enterprise.

[Southern]

original series was good...

next generation was good, but for different reasons

deep space nine had some GREAT stuff, but it was all ruined when UPN became a network and DS9 became one of its flagship shows (went from being syndicated to being a network show...this means one big change: sweeps week) DS9 was the first star trek show ever to cater to sweeps week. and what did they do with it? put whorf and whats-her-name into swimsuits and they went on a trip to the pleasure planet. whole episode ran like an episode of baywatch...havent watched star trek on TV since then.

voyager basically showed the kind of star trek we would be getting now that gene rodenberry was dead...

enterprise suffers from being a network show under pressure to produce ratings. drop it from the network schedule and into syndication where even shows like 'arthur conan doyles: the lost world' succeed...and they are free to tell whatever story they want.

the movies have always been hit or miss...this one looks to be a miss. even numbered used to be the best.

southern

[off_world]

Agree with Southern. Was getting into DS9 then Babylon 5 comes along...But that is for another thread.

Movies have become lackluster since ST: IV The Voyage Home. Now, they are trying to cater to everyone and everything. Star Trek needs new life pumped into it. I think a more gritty Trek would be pretty cool. Have main characters die and replaced. A central storyline that takes seasons to explain, and...Hmmmm...sounds like B:5.

Anyhow, Voyager was just not interesting at all. There were some great characters (Seven of Nine being one), but storylines were annoying. It got to the point that I could care less if they returned home.

Original ST:TNG was great. Ended on a good note and had very good stories. You know, I could care less if it's TNG crew last movie. Here is a review of the movie from Ain't It Cool:

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=13929

[Dokomo]

"Movies have become lackluster since ST: IV The Voyage Home"

How could you discout The Undiscovered Country? IMO, this was the best Trek movie of all time. Good plot, massive changes to the ST universe, an appreciable mystery element (although the new crew member is always the first suspect, if only she had been in ST5) and a great battle. Too bad the explosion is cheapened because it got reused in Generations. I'll agree IV is great, but VI just had theconflict needed to make it better.

As for Nemesis, from the the dialogue I've seen it looks to be pretty good. Evil Picard appears to be well done, and the only thing that worries me so far is the dune buggy scene. Too hokey for me.

[off_world]

I forgot about ST:TUC. Thanks for reminding me. That was a very good ST. Odd numbered movies seem to do very badly, but when TNG took over the movies it just did not seem to be interesting anymore. First Contact was cool, but was missing something.

And yes, that dune buggy scene looks hokey. Looks like "Megaforce". More like mega-dump!!

[Iannis]

I prefer to not acknowledge the parallel universe DS9 episodes. That universe was only cool because Spock had a badass goatee in it...

[Regime]

i hear wesley crusher makes a guest appearence.

I hope Data *accidently* turns the phaser from stun to kill


other than that I agree with Xaen.

I wanna see dead bodies in this one. I wanna see Worf's head on a pole for being a sell out orphaned Klingon


Death = good aka Wrath of khan

peace

[Narayen Annihilation]

I would kill for a box set of that. Really though, I'm only interested in the later seasons.

The lamest thing in DS9 was Dax's death scene. I went to a Star Trek convention (against my wishes) but I heard that (a) DS9 member was going to be killed off, so I was on the edge of my seat, and then DuCott(sp?) walks in, and goes like... and she's dead. That's IT.....

The coolest thing in DS9 was when Kiara was bitching at Odo for fucking up on their terrorist plot, she did a really good acting job.

[Millie]

Originally posted by Regime
I wanna see dead bodies in this one....Death = good aka Wrath of khan

***SPOILER INFO***

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If the rumors are correct, two crew members are supposed to die in Nemesis. According to some fan sites, those two are Data and Deanna Troi. Troi may or may not die in the end, but Data certainly does. He is replaced by B4, a prototype android 'clone' of himself.

[Kaylum]

Originally posted by JerleMinara
But I saw the first episode of Enterprise. Was fairly good, it's the only one I've seen. If the others were that good, then excellent, it's worth keeping. Wasn't a Voyager fan and never really watched any of the others.

Vulcan chick had nice tits though, most definately

pickup a copy of Ramp magazine (Nov/Dec), nice spread of said vulcan chick and her assets.