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70mins long, all 3d, straight to dvd movie....

i foresee horrible things....

[SceleriS]

dunno, i am pretty glad they are going the CGI way. Try finding actors that are the sheer size of astartes.


Just wished they'd do the horus heresy.

[goatface]

it could be 70mins like the intro from Dawn of War and i would be happy

[sumdain x]

its made by the lego: bionacle guys (codex pictures) and that animation was abysmal. i am a huge 40k fanboy so i still have high hopes.

[Taloo]

Lets do a cgi movie about a military force used to utterly decimate a foe in such a brutal and total way they can not even conceive of rising again were there any left alive to do so. Somehow I doubt people will burst like balloons full of meat paste when an exploding round the size of a small thermos detonates in their torso.

Just don't see it being possible to please people familiar with 40k or even interest those who are not.

[Palum]

Oh my, that freight train is going very fast! Wait, what's this? Another train moving at equal speed in the opposite direction on the same track? Oh, dear, they're headed straight towards each other!

This movie will kill any chance to ever have a good live action movie for 40k. No-name animation studio and releasing info before they have even a teaser trailer.

[fucker]

Originally Posted by Palum

Oh my, that freight train is going very fast! Wait, what's this? Another train moving at equal speed in the opposite direction on the same track? Oh, dear, they're headed straight towards each other!

This movie will kill any chance to ever have a good live action movie for 40k. No-name animation studio and releasing info before they have even a teaser trailer.

you know, i thought about this, and i got to admit we will never see a warhammer 40k movie no matter what

there is no way hollywood will accept to bring on the screen a humanity turned into a imperialistic xenophobic teocracy with very few individual rights fighting a galaxywide conquering crusade with the declared intent to eradicate it from any non-human being, while the dictatorial governmental autorities are more than willing to obliterate millions of innocents trying to eradicate insane cultists who worship extra-dimensional, living embodies of our own emotions, daemonic gods who very much like to warp our minds and make us fall to madness and brutality

it is too much for the general audience

not mentioning the massive shitstorm that will rise from the protests of religious associations

[Taloo]

Originally Posted by fucker

you know, i thought about this, and i got to admit we will never see a warhammer 40k movie no matter what

there is no way hollywood will accept to bring on the screen a humanity turned into a imperialistic xenophobic teocracy with very few individual rights fighting a galaxywide conquering crusade with the declared intent to eradicate it from any non-human being, while the dictatorial governmental autorities are more than willing to obliterate millions of innocents trying to eradicate insane cultists who worship extra-dimensional, living embodies of our own emotions, daemonic gods who very much like to warp our minds and make us fall to madness and brutality

it is too much for the general audience

not mentioning the massive shitstorm that will rise from the protests of religious associations

Indeed. Although it does trigger a nice mental image of 40k nerds overwhelming protesters shouting blood for the blood god.

[Lleauaric~EW]

The only to make a workable movie.. or even an MMO is to go the Rogue Trader route. Serenity on steriods I guess.

[fucker]

Originally Posted by Taloo

Indeed. Although it does trigger a nice mental image of 40k nerds overwhelming protesters shouting blood for the blood god.

oh man....+1 for you. The image you pictured made me fucking rofl

[Wrathcaster]

They make horror movies about people getting mercilessly slaughtered all the time by demons and people don't seem to mind so much, I don't see why the American public would raise a fuss over the political implications in what would surely be an action drama. You've still got heroes in the Adeptus Astartes, and don't they operate somewhat independently from the rest of the imperium aka imperial guard? I mean sure inquisitors go after perceived rogue or traitor chapters, but the space marines are fairly venerated and respected among the Imperial populace if I'm not wrong.

Leaves a lot of room for heroic breaks from the dark imperial norm, especially considering that what the imperium has become is the exact opposite of what the Emperor really sought to achieve. Maybe not the political structure of a dictatorship, but he certainly never wanted to be worshipped as a god and set up a total theocracy, he was just a powerful psycher.

Also, considering the fact that GW freely allows the creation of new chapters by players within the lore, and especially considering the wide-open possibilities of exploring the Blood Ravens history, couldn't you see a story about a breaking-the-mold unknown primarch being written in?

I'm just addressing this from a storyline standpoint addressed to whoever thinks that the political ramifications are just too much for the American people. The political oppression theme has always been a staple of our cinema, and there's certainly room for a Chapter that gets turned on by the imperium in the "fighting for liberty" vein of storytelling.

Of course, I don't ever think a full-feature to theaters 40k movie will be made... At least, for it to be made well. There community is small enough that it provides little incentive for hollywood screenwriters, producers, and directors to stick to the lore and feel of the universe. Also, for it to be done justice, the budget would have to be fucking huge. You just can't do it without a huge amount of CGI, and in my opinion, a full CGI flick would be the only way to go. I think it'd be hard to convince a big time producer that it'd earn enough to make decent profits that would go above the budget.

Anything less would just be seen as another lame half-assed sci-fi flick that most would give two shits about seeing.

[fucker]

you dont need a pre enstablished fanbase to have success. You just need to do and advertise it well

how many fans Starship Troopers had? i know no one who even knew anything about it before the movie came out, and even now im one of the few who know it was taken from a book

but this aside, the problem i see with wh40k is....there is no good side

even those who are considered good guys in wh40k univerce would be classified as assholes, dictatorial, or straight evil in any other "universe"

even the great space marines can't be seen as "good". they are fanatical superhumans who will massacre millions of beings without a second thought just because they wont bow to the Will of the Emperor. Sure every now and then they talk about protect the civilians, but in the end all they seek is "clean the unclean and purge the unholy"

the same goes for the eldar, who are a bunch of arrogant manipulative assholes, or the Tau empire with their Greater Good that makes Polpot reign looks like kindengarden

another reason:

even if there are many movies that show demons, they all share one common trait: there is always some pure and holy character to counter such evilness, like the priest in Exorcists or the little girl in Poltergeist(sp?). Or "god" itself is made pretty much real to counter that evilness

in wh40k there nothing "truly divine" to use against chaos, because everything is already pretty much sick and corrupted and more than all....it's "mortal". There is no real god to worship or true holy power to protect us from demons because even the mighty God-Emperor is pretty much a glorified mortal (a very good kick in the balls to the Jesus character i may say)

Wh40k pretty much picks hints from the general religious beliefs, kicks god side out of the picture, and bring us a universe where humans must fight supernatural evil without supernatural good (god or whatever)

do you really believe religious assholes would accept such a thing without protest? they modified Doom just because they knew that make a movie about a demonic invasion without some divine-counter bullshit would have cause major shitstorm. So they went for that genetic crap

i would love it, but i cant see hollywood bring on screen such crude universe without completely altering and "softing" it for the general audience. They would probably altering the God Emperor and make him really divine, erase the dictatorial side of Imperium and make the Space Marines a bunch of holyknights straight from King Arthur novel

[Wrathcaster]

Originally Posted by fucker

another reason:

even if there are many movies that show demons, they all share one common trait: there is always some pure and holy character to counter such evilness, like the priest in Exorcists or the little girl in Poltergeist(sp?). Or "god" itself is made pretty much real to counter that evilness

in wh40k there nothing "truly divine" to use against chaos, because everything is already pretty much sick and corrupted and more than all....it's "mortal". There is no real god to worship or true holy power to protect us from demons because even the mighty God-Emperor is pretty much a glorified mortal (a very good kick in the balls to the Jesus character i may say)

Wh40k pretty much picks hints from the general religious beliefs, kicks god side out of the picture, and bring us a universe where humans must fight supernatural evil without supernatural good (god or whatever)

do you really believe religious assholes would accept such a thing without protest? they modified Doom just because they knew that make a movie about a demonic invasion without some divine-counter bullshit would have cause major shitstorm. So they went for that genetic crap

i would love it, but i cant see hollywood bring on screen such crude universe without completely altering and "softing" it for the general audience. They would probably altering the God Emperor and make him really divine, erase the dictatorial side of Imperium and make the Space Marines a bunch of holyknights straight from King Arthur novel

No holy knights? What about they Grey Knights? Their whole mission is to hunt daemons. All their training and doctrine is bent on this goal. They are the closest things to holy crusaders that I can imagine.

So what if it's not laden with judeo-christian theology? Ever seen Event Horizon? What about 90% of horror movies? Most of them don't have some holy, pure crusader to contrast with the antagonist, just hapless victims.

Don't tell me you can't make a hero out of a character with serious personal flaws. I find it hard to believe that it is impossible within the 40k universe to somehow portray a Space Marine as some semblance of a "good" figure against some of the enemies that exist in the lore. I agree that they are set as dogmatic, elitist, xenophobic assholes, but putting them up against Chaos or Daemons seems like a pretty good way to put those aspects of a character into a more appealing light.

Yeah, they persecute and slaughter millions, but you've also got the "for the greater good of humanity" theme that's strongly present in the series, which is mostly manifested through carrying out the Emperor's will.

You can't possibly expect me to believe that there's no precedent for this kind of plotline set out in countless well-established films. And I call bullshit on the whole film makers are doubtlessly going to cow to the religious crowd notion. There have been huge movies that have been complete anathema to judeo-christian norms. Hell, you could even argue Lord of the Rings went against it, with demons, magic, dark lords, etc. all set in a fantasy world without the slightest mention of any sort of christian deity.

I also don't see why you absolutely have to portray the Emperor as "truly divine" in a 40k flick either. Even the lore departs from that notion in many places. Sure, the theme could be present in the movie, but it could also be noted throughout that the Emperor is simply an incredibly powerful psyker who is misunderstood by the majority to be a god. I mean shit, you could work that into a single line of dialogue if you had to.

I don't think the absolute clear and unmistaken Good v. Evil paradigm absolutely has to exist in a successful movie. If you make the FX good enough and the action scenes as badass as possible, people are going to see it simply for the "wow" factor.

And if you are really so insistent that the paradigm MUST exist for a successful movie, then let me reiterate my previous statements that it is completely feasible and permissible within the lore to allow for the creation of a break-away, rogue, or simply more independent space marine Chapter that doesn't strictly exist as a clone of every other. It seems to me that if they can turn to Chaos with all the years of programming they receive, there should be no reason why they can't break away from some dogma without turning completely evil. I simply don't think the lore HAS to be that rigid.

[SceleriS]

i think they mean the bible thumpers will get their panties in a bunch because the only thing close to "human" are the space marines and terrans and imperial armies...and the closest thing to a "god" is the emperor who put on a galaxy wide crusade to eradicate everything not closely related to a human being.

So pretty much replacing god with a comatose dictator and fanatical supersoldiers who wouldn't blink twice to deep strike a planet killing everything with a pulse in mere minutes, hunting down every one who opposes the will of their "god" brutally slaughtering MILLIONS of alien beings or even human beings who don't bend to their will.

Let alone their "recruitment" process. The fanaticism of the imperial armies where they even kill their own troops if they do not obey. Entire "old Earth" has turned into a shitpile, we've seen post apocalyptic before but not even close to this scale. Not to even mention the THOUSANDS of psykers who get sacrificed to keep their comatose "god" at an inch of being alive.


As Kevin Smith said about dogma "they got pissed at a movie with a friggin rubber poop monster!!!"

A WH40k live action movie will never happen. So i for one am glad they at least give it a shot with CGI. And without any footage or stills or plot synopsis i am carefully optimistic, because with an animated movie you can get away with a LOT more, because you can downplay it as being a "cartoon"

Here's something to think about. Let's say they are doing a movie. The space Marines stumble on to a planet exactly like modern day earth. They find humans. But humans who, like most of us, believe in a God. They would not even think twice about eradicating all the religion, and forcing us to believe in their god emperor or suffer the consequences. Let's face it, our armies wouldn't even stand a snowball's chance in hell against the weakest of space marines, hell the sheer magnitude of the imperial army would overwhelm us. If you'd go that way in a Wh40k movie you'll get more then a shitstorm on you... Even if you use aliens there's no way you can make the space marines look like heroes. And a WH40k movie is pretty much already a no go if you don't use the space marines as the main forces and "heroes".

[SceleriS]

then let me reiterate my previous statements that it is completely feasible and permissible within the lore to allow for the creation of a break-away, rogue, or simply more independent space marine Chapter that doesn't strictly exist as a clone of every other. It seems to me that if they can turn to Chaos with all the years of programming they receive, there should be no reason why they can't break away from some dogma without turning completely evil. I simply don't think the lore HAS to be that rigid.

Yup, i am sure a chapter can break away from the Imperial way....

And you can make sure the space marines will throw everything INCLUDING the kitchen sink at them to kill the traitors. And trust me the galaxy isn't big enough to hide from a force of that size. There's nothing that can band all the chapters together but the sign of a traitorous chapter.

The only "different" chapters as far as i know are the dark angels and Black Templars...and only because they are even MORE fanatic then the other chapters. The Dark Angels because they are trying to make right what their traitorous brethren who turned to chaos have done, and the Black Templars because they really hate everything. The WH40k universe is very black and white, there's damn near no gray area where they can have some freedom. The space marines are either the fanatic followers of the emperor, or the armies of chaos. There's no middle ground there. Even in the Horus Heresy, the "good" guys still only do whatever they think is the will of the emperor, and their obedience to him that makes them fight the traitors.