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Old 09-07-2009, 01:50 AM   #121 (permalink)
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Zatanna would fit into the Dark Knight fairly well.
Did we watch the same movie?! How the fuck does a magician who can basically do ANYTHING fit in with the realistic tone of the new batman movies?

Paul Giamatti as Mad Hatter seems pretty interesting actually, he looks more like that character then Penguin, imo. His demeanor is similar too, Mad Hatter always had a slightly more sympathetic/pathetic underlying tone to his madness, whereas Penguin was generally more stuck up/arrogant.

Penguin as an arms dealer is a cool take. I could see either Penguin or Riddler working well, as they both have the ability to appear legit to the outside world, while secretly plotting some big shit. When you consider that Batman is public enemy #1 going into the 3rd movie, it would be very easy for a sophisticated villain to play on that to keep batman distracted from their real plans.
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Old 09-07-2009, 05:50 AM   #122 (permalink)
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In her first appearance on The Animated Series Zatanna was just a stage magician from whose father Bruce learned the art of misdirection. She did a number of things that came precariously close to revealing that it wasnt just stage magic, but nothing overt.

This could easily work in the context of the new Batman movies. Maybe even have her very quietly, under her breath, say one phrase backwards as she manages to save Bruce's bacon towards the climax of the film. When he confronts her about it at the conclusion she just smiles and tells him that in the 6 months he spent with them as a college aged kid he didnt learn ALL Zatara's secrets and walk away smiling to herself.
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Old 09-07-2009, 10:40 AM   #123 (permalink)
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Using magic in a Constantine/Preacher sort of way. I wasn't suggesting an overt candyland flying around casting magic left and right.

Magic is part of Batmans world, and pretending its not, doesn't really help the franchise. It's all a matter of how its portrayed. We don't want 60's camp, we don't want the Brave and the Bold. But supernatural aspects don't need to suddenly jump the shark.

Additionally, they are planning a JLA movie. And dropping hints of a bigger world, also, isn't a bad idea.
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Old 09-07-2009, 05:41 PM   #124 (permalink)
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Magic? What the fuck? No.

This version of Batman is not going to have magic or Darkseid or any of that shit. It's all about the humanity (or lack of) of Batman and Gotham City. It's not about super heroes/villains flying around conjuring shit up. It's about a man facing his demons and the demons of those too weak to face their own.

I'd rather see no further movies than to fuck it up with most of the suggestions given here.
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Old 09-09-2009, 11:33 AM   #125 (permalink)
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IF DC wants to expand on this "universe" then they need to introduce/allude to/reference some of the main characters they will be using

wonderwoman
superman
flash
etc

as well as the villians/other aspects of this universe,

nothing needs to be fancy, a tv reporter (lois lane reporting from metropolis about mysterious happenings) a shot of the daily planet (had spiderman reference originally-oops)on bruce's breakfast/alfred giving bruce the paper with a headline from clark kent, etc

if they do not wish to do this, then no they do not have to introduce them, however Marvel is interleaving their movies, with guest shots, references, etc so i expect DC to follow through.

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Old 09-09-2009, 11:37 AM   #126 (permalink)
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The only problem is the JLA movie and the Dark Knight movies are completely separate. There are no plans to incorporate the two. They have completely different actors slotted to play in the JLA movies and these movies by Chris Nolan take place in a displaced universe where there aren't a ton of superheros and villains running amok around the world, just realistic baddies that can be fought off by a determined man supported by money and technology.
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Old 09-09-2009, 08:35 PM   #127 (permalink)
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I think it's best to look at Nolan's Batman the same way you'd view the Punisher book on Marvel MAX. Dragging the rest of the DC universe into Batman would be just as retarded as bringing mainstream Marvel shit into Punisher MAX. Both of them are going for more gritty realism than a normal comic book.

That said, the next sequel absolutely needs Catwoman in it. I don't care how badly the character was tarnished by Halle Berry's piece of shit movie, a Batman franchise without Catwoman making an appearance would be just as retarded as if Joker had never appeared.
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Old 09-10-2009, 08:21 PM   #128 (permalink)
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Haven't Hulk and Spiderman both been in Punisher MAX? Not to a large extent, but they've been there. Not that I'm arguing with your point, especially since I really dislike DC stuff aside from Batman.
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Old 09-10-2009, 09:24 PM   #129 (permalink)
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Catwoman for sure. It's obvious, what with Rachel dying in the last one and freeing up Bruce for a new pseudo-love interest. She just won't be the true villain.

I like the idea above of the villain, whomever they choose, becoming Gotham's new golden boy. They had Batman but weren't sure what to make of him, then they had Dent and the Joker drove him insane while turning the city on Batman in the process. Now who do the people look to? It's the perfect time for their faith to be betrayed.

The Penguin really is the best fit. His wealth and status even allow for some interesting play vs Bruce Wayne in addition to Batman. Either that, or bring the films full circle and have Ra's al Ghul return. He's immortal, after all, and the League of Shadows must still be out there. Hell, maybe the Penguin is his new partner with the Scarecrow on the lamb.
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Old 09-11-2009, 05:28 AM   #130 (permalink)
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You can't make a full movie with the Mad Hatter he's a step backwards. Riddler is the best choice IMO.

I heard some rumors about them kicking around the idea of making the Riddler some kind of cyber-terrorist. Not sure how I feel about that, but it kinda makes sense in the hyper-realistic take on Batman.
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Old 09-12-2009, 06:14 AM   #131 (permalink)
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Its a bit of a stretch at this point since she's not a widely recognized character, but I'd rather see someone like Talia Al Ghul as a romantic interest long before Catwoman shows up. We're still looking at a "younger" Batman, still in his early stages of development. Catwoman to me always seemed like the better counterpart for the "established" Batman than a fledgeling one.

I think they really need to avoid putting the effort of romantic interests into this series as much as possible and just focus on Batman, Gordon, the villain, and Gotham City.
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Old 09-12-2009, 09:31 PM   #132 (permalink)
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So recently Megan Fox accused Michael Bay of acting like Hitler on set. This isn't the first time she's bashed him and 3 crew members got pissed and posted a response. The first quote is the recent Megan Fox remark and I spoilered the crew member's response.

"God, I really wish I could go loose on this one. He's like Napoleon and he wants to create this insane, infamous mad-man reputation. He wants to be like Hitler on his sets, and he is. So he's a nightmare to work for but when you get him away from set, and he's not in director mode, I kind of really enjoy his personality because he's so awkward, so hopelessly awkward. He has no social skills at all. And it's endearing to watch him. He's vulnerable and fragile in real life and then on set he's a tyrant. Shia and I almost die when we make a Transformers movie. He has you do some really insane things that insurance would never let you do."


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This is an open letter to all Michael Bay fans. We are three crew members that have worked with Michael for the past ten years. Last week we read the terrible article with inflammatory, truly trashing quotes by the Ms. Fox about Michael Bay. This letter is to set a few things straight.

Yes, Megan has great eyes, a tight stomach we spray with glycerin, and an awful silly Marilyn Monroe tattoo plastered on her arm that we cover up to keep the moms happy.

Michael found this shy, inexperienced girl, plucked her out of total obscurity thus giving her the biggest shot of any young actresses' life. He told everyone around to just trust him on his choice. He granted her the starring role in Transformers, a franchise that forever changed her life; she became one of the most googled and oogled women on earth. She was famous! She was the next Angelina Jolie, hooray! Wait a minute, two of us worked with Angelina – second thought – she’s no Angelina. You see, Angelia is a professional.

We know this quite intimately because we’ve had the tedious experience of working with the dumb-as-a-rock Megan Fox on both Transformers movies. We've spent a total of 12 months on set making these two movies.

We are in different departments; we can’t give our names because sadly doing so in Hollywood could lead to being banished from future Paramount work. One of us touches Megan’s panties, the other has the often shitty job of pulling Ms. Sourpants out of her trailer, while another is near the Panaflex camera that helps to memorialize the valley girl on film.

Megan has the press fooled. When we read those magazines we wish we worked with that woman. Megan knows how to work her smile for the press. Those writers should try being on set for two movies, sadly she never smiles. The cast, crew and director make Transformers a really fun and energetic set. We’ve traveled around the world together, so we have never understood why Megan was always such the grump of the set?

When facing the press, Megan is the queen of talking trailer trash and posing like a porn star. And yes we’ve had the unbearable time of watching her try to act on set, and yes, it's very cringe-able. So maybe, being a porn star in the future might be a good career option. But make-up beware, she has a paragraph tattooed to her backside (probably due her rotten childhood) -- easily another 45 minutes in the chair!

So when the three of us caught wind of Ms Fox, pontificating yet again in some publication (like she actually has something interesting to say) blabbing her trash mouth about a director whom we three have grown to really like. She compared working with Michael, to “working with Hitler”. We actually don’t think she knows who Hitler is by the way. But we wondered how she doesn’t realize what a disgusting, fully uneducated comment this was? Well, here let’s get some facts straight.

Say what you want about Michael – yes at times he can be hard, but he's also fun, and he challenges everyone for a reason – he simply wants people to bring their ‘A’ game. He comes very prepared, knows exactly what he wants, involves the crew and expects everyone to follow through with his or her best, and that includes the actors. He’s one of the hardest working directors out there.

He gets the best from his crews, many of whom have worked with him for 15 years. And yes, he’s loyal, one of the few directors we’ve encountered who lowered his fee by millions to keep Transformers in the United States and California, so he could work with his own crew.

Megan says that Transformers was an unsafe set? Come on Megan, we know it is a bit more strenuous then the playground at the trailer park, but you don’t insult one of the very best stunt and physical effects teams in the business! Not one person got hurt!

And who is the real Megan Fox? She is very different than the academy nominee and winning actors we’ve all worked around. She’s as about ungracious a person as you can ever fathom. She shows little interest in the crew members around her. We work to make her look good in every way, but she's absolutely never appreciative of anyone’s hard work. Never a thank you. All the crewmembers have stopped saying hi to Ms. Princess because she never says hello back. It gets tiring. Many think she just really hates the process of being an actress.

Megan has been late to the sets many times. She goes through the motions that make her exude this sense of misery. We’ve heard the A.D’s piped over the radio that Megan won’t walk from her trailer until John Turturro walks first! John’s done seventy-five movies and she’s made two!

Never expect Megan to attend any of the 15 or so crew parties like all the other actors have. And then there's the classless night she blew off The Royal Prince of Jordan who made a special dinner for all the actors. She doesn’t know that one of the grips' daughters wanted to visit their daddy’s work to meet Megan, but he wouldn’t let them come because he told them “she is not nice."

The press certainly doesn’t know her most famous line. On our first day in Egypt, the Egyptian government wouldn’t let us shoot because of a permit problem as the actors got ready in make up at the Four Seasons Hotel. Michael tried to make the best of it; he wanted to take the cast and crew on a private tour of the famous Giza pyramids. God hold us witness, Megan said, "I can’t believe Michael is fucking forcing us to go to the fucking pyramids!" I guess this is the “Hitler guy” she is referring to.

So this is the Megan Fox you don’t get to see. Maybe she will learn, but we figure if she can sling insults, then she can take them too. Megan really is a thankless, classless, graceless, and shall we say unfriendly bitch. It's sad how fame can twist people, and even sadder that young girls look up to her. If only they knew who they're really looking up to.

But ‘fame’ is fleeting. We, being behind the scenes, seen em’ come and go. Hopefully Michael will have Megatron squish her character in the first ten minutes of Transformers 3. We can tell you that will make the crew happy!

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Old 09-12-2009, 11:25 PM   #133 (permalink)
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I'm not sure how seriously I can take this as it is addressed to people who LIKE Michael Bay and people who ENJOY working with him wrote it...and on Transformers 2 to boot.
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Old 09-12-2009, 11:38 PM   #134 (permalink)
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Holy shit, that rant was pretty amazing not going to lie.
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Old 09-13-2009, 12:15 AM   #135 (permalink)
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Also in relation to that story I just came across this gem I'd never seen before of Seth Rogen being rejected by Megan Fox.

YouTube - Seth Rogen Talks About Being Rejected by Megan Fox
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