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Old 10-13-2009, 02:40 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Hellboy and Spawn were terrible. McFarlane decimated the quality of the movie with his HBO animation. That was Spawn done right: mean, disgusting, and crossing understood boundaries of morality. Spider-man is very debatable. Whether it was true to the comic or not, V for Vendetta is a shallow copy of 1984. Given the choice between the two, I'd rather see a film based on the original. 1984 dominates the genre of dystopia/totalitarianism.

And I don't think Nolan got it right with the first one. Dark Knight is head and shoulders above BB, and everyone seems to agree on that point. Dark Knight was such a fantastic movie that it garnered attention outside the standard influence of comic book films. Batman Begins was weak as most origin stories are. They need to skip that bullshit henceforth. We do not need to see Peter Parker getting bit by a radioactive spider and transforming from a loser to a freak. If necessary he can have a dream sequence where it flies by in moments. The whole idea of slow ass origin stories is an assumption that your audience are drooling retards.

Comic book movies are fun, and I enjoy them, but they're generally not good. 9/10 are pretty horrible, with bad casting, bad acting, bad script, a stupid plot, etc. etc. The three X-Men movies decided to include every single bad aspect of a comic book movie, and they started with a terribad script and horrible casting. They mis-matched the team's ages and heights, raped Cyclops's character to make Wolverine into an atypical leader, destroyed the point of Iceman and Rogue, etc. I blame 20th Century Fox. They're fun, but if you attempt to defend the quality of comic book movies you're asking for punishment.
Thank you, I'm not trolling, I really do think that most comic books gone to movie are bad. I was/am an avid comic book fan, I can go in my attic at my mothers house and pull out Silver surfer #1, The Uncanny X-men #1, Punisher #1, as well as nearly every single Fantastic Four. I'm sorry I have a hardened resolve for watching main stream media absolutely crush my childhood memories. But when I see a graphic novel that I once read turned in to one of the greatest movies of all time (in my eyes). 300. THAT is the potential that nearly every movie had, but was done horribly wrong.

Which is why I'm worried about the WoW movie. Look who the cheese dick is they've got doing it. So help me god if Toby Mcguire is in the cast.
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Old 10-13-2009, 08:05 PM   #62 (permalink)
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God I hope Liefeld isn't actually involved in anything creative about the movie.
What? You don't want to see everyone with the same hairdo, massive shoulder pads, and 1000 pound guns being held like pistols?
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Old 10-14-2009, 12:15 AM   #63 (permalink)
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I'm always up for some Liefeld bashing!

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Wish I could find the gif some goons did transforming a picture of him in to one of his creations.
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Old 10-14-2009, 12:37 AM   #64 (permalink)
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You liked Elektra, but not Road to Perdition? What the hell, dude.
It's weird, I know, but I just think that Tom Hanks was not believable in his role. And that basically ruined it for me. I won't bash the movie though, I know that the weirdness is on my side
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I am not a big fan of liefeld's art style, but as far as i know that guy pretty much created deadpool, so i gotta give the man SOME credit.


And for the people who said batman begins sucked....wow. Ok i will agree dark knight is MILES better, but batman begins was a damn good origins movie. Even though i don't really like origins stories, batman begins pulled it off pretty well.

Iron man was a FAN TAS TIC origins story as well.

The writers for deadpool have an easy job...read the damn comic.

opening credits, 2 graves...1 saying "Wade Wilson", other saying "Wade Wilson....Again" and deadpool standing at the graves going, "1 more grave and i get a free toaster!"
Maybe a wolverine cameo where they chop eachother up for like 15 minutes with deadpool saying in the end "THIS IS MY MOVIE take your crappy CGI claws and get to your own franchise" queue puzzled look from Wolverine. Deadpool should be full well aware that he's in a movie...Wich throws his enemies off when he drops a ton of movie quotes.

Ryan Reynolds can pull it off, i heard he read a ton of deadpool comics and actually got pretty dissapointed when they fucked the character up.

It would be awesome to have someone writing the script who has worked on writing deadpool comics, and a director who knows the character and isn't trying to make a very serious origins movie. God i wish marvel had this franchise and not fox. Everytime people ask me about deadpool from the wolverine movie i say " don't call that abomination deadpool, look at the animated movie Hulk vs. Wolverine and you'll see how deadpool should have been."
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Old 10-14-2009, 08:37 AM   #66 (permalink)
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I don't like arguing with crazy. so I'm not really going to write a book on why.
But all of those movies mentioned are quite good.
Even the weaker ones like Hellboy, and Spawn.
Spawn wasn't as good as the cartoon. No. But it was what it was. what could be gotten away with on HBO is not the same as what could be gotten away with in the big screen. Both audience wise, and technical issues. It was good for what cgi was available at the time. and it was fairly true to the character. Has it aged well? not really.

Spiderman is very compatible to the first superman. Making it top 5 comic book adaptations.

Iron-man is probably the best in my opinion. Dark knight is great as well of course. But its very much a different attitude. Iron man was a far more fun movie, and doesn't get the critical acclaim due to it, as it doesn't feel as serious. but it is probably a better made movie really. Cinematography. Action. The iron man suit design is perfect.
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I thought Hellboy was great, really captured what I remember of the spirit of the comics. And Ron Perlman is the fucking man. I liked the sequal too, it was just as good as the original.

Spawn, eh, it sucked. It's difficult to take something like Spawn and try to slam it into 1 hour 30 minutes. And all the CGI was downright terrible. IDK, I can't think of anything good about that movie.

I liked Spiderman, the first one anyway. Again, really captured the whole spirit of the comics, the loser aura of Peter. I think part 2 was ok, but the problem is they were extending the first movie rather than telling the story that everyone wanted to see, which was Venom/Carnage. And then they fucked that up with Spiderman 3.

If you don't like Iron Man, you're wrong. It's just that simple.

I thought the Ed Norton Hulk was really, really good. I don't understand why it gets shit.

Also, Superman Returns... it wasn't good. But I think that's due to the story they tried to do. No one wanted to see that story. They could have done any number of other stories and really made that an amazing movie, and the actor was perfect as Superman. Huge letdown.

Batman Begins was great. I can agree, we don't need another origin story, but as far as origins go it was very good. Dark Knight took it to the next level, but you can't have one without the other.
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Old 10-14-2009, 09:41 AM   #68 (permalink)
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I thought Hellboy was great, really captured what I remember of the spirit of the comics. And Ron Perlman is the fucking man. I liked the sequal too, it was just as good as the original.

Spawn, eh, it sucked. It's difficult to take something like Spawn and try to slam it into 1 hour 30 minutes. And all the CGI was downright terrible. IDK, I can't think of anything good about that movie.

I liked Spiderman, the first one anyway. Again, really captured the whole spirit of the comics, the loser aura of Peter. I think part 2 was ok, but the problem is they were extending the first movie rather than telling the story that everyone wanted to see, which was Venom/Carnage. And then they fucked that up with Spiderman 3.

If you don't like Iron Man, you're wrong. It's just that simple.

I thought the Ed Norton Hulk was really, really good. I don't understand why it gets shit.

Also, Superman Returns... it wasn't good. But I think that's due to the story they tried to do. No one wanted to see that story. They could have done any number of other stories and really made that an amazing movie, and the actor was perfect as Superman. Huge letdown.

Batman Begins was great. I can agree, we don't need another origin story, but as far as origins go it was very good. Dark Knight took it to the next level, but you can't have one without the other.
Yeah, I won't defend spiderman 3.

Spawn is spawn though. the movie is just like the comics. And no, they haven't aged well either really.

Melancholy superman is a bit of a wtf. Its Superman. Make him Super, not fucking depressing.

BB was good. Origin story was needed. A large amount of the audience still had the 60s comic, Adam West, and Schumaker campy as shit Batman in their heads. They needed a new origin to wipe the slate and set the tone for the harder Batman.
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Old 10-14-2009, 10:09 AM   #69 (permalink)
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I cant understand how people think Batman Begins wasnt a great movie. The whole scene with him training with Liam was awesome and the overall plot was really good, I think they could have done a lot of cool shit with the scarecrow even though the hallucination scenes were great. Katie holmes was bad but it wasnt any worse than sad turdle.

I actually think it was just as good as TDK. The movie has so much praise because the hype of the Joker and HL death that people dismissed Batman Begins. Atleast it didnt have the gay ass sonar crap in it. Either way both movies were awesome
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Old 10-14-2009, 02:28 PM   #70 (permalink)
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I am not a big fan of liefeld's art style, but as far as i know that guy pretty much created deadpool, so i gotta give the man SOME credit.
Actually Liefeld pretty much just copied Deadpool from DC's Deathstroke. Powers, job, everything. To the point that when he showed his partner for them(Fabian Nicieza) he told him it was just Deathstroke. And Nicieza went so far as to make his real name Wade Wilson as a joke(Slade Wilson is Deathstroke's name). Nicieza was also the one who decided to make Deadpool a comedic character instead of Liefeld's usual "OMG he's so gritty!" style.

Really all Liefeld did was copy a Teen Titans character(he's known for this type of thing) and show it to Fabien Nicieza. Nicieza and later Joe Kelly are responsible for the Deadpool we all know and love.

Or so they say.
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Old 10-15-2009, 01:09 PM   #71 (permalink)
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I too thought Norton was awesome in Hulk and I really enjoyed the movie, I don't understand people's problem with it personally.
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Empire magazine spoke to producer Lauren Shuler Donner about the upcoming "Deadpool" spin-off, stating that she has no problem with the fact that Ryan Reynolds will be playing The Green Lantern.

"I want to ignore the version of Deadpool that we saw in Wolverine and just start over again. Reboot it. Because this guy talks, obviously, and to muzzle him would be insane," she said. "Wade Wilson is a guy who unfortunately gets cancer, and volunteers for a test that will give him healing powers. He is a bad ass, a wise-cracking mercenary, who will go out and kill anyone for money. But the thing about him is that, underneath it all, sometimes he's not such a bad ass after all. Sometimes he does the right thing."

She continued: "It's going to be a dark, snarky, very funny movie. It's the hardest story to tell, I think. There's no clear cut villain - though you do have great baddies from the comic-books like Black Tom, Slayback, Blind Al and the Weasel. Blind Al is this blind woman in his house, who he abuses and mocks... it's terrible. But you find out that she was a convict who did something terrible and he saved her from execution. So he lets her live in his house and she looks after him, but they both torture each other."

Regarding the status, Donner said: "We're right in the thick of talking to writers right now, and hopefully by November we'll have decided who's going to do it."
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Old 10-17-2009, 12:23 AM   #73 (permalink)
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I will not get excited about this movie I will not get excited about this movie I will not get excited about this movie I will not get excited about this movie I will not get excited about this movie I will not get excited about this movie I will not get excited about this movie I will not get excited about this movie I will not get excited about this movie I will not get excited about this movie


Sounds like Donner has at least read the comics some, or a really good summary.
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Old 10-17-2009, 12:33 AM   #74 (permalink)
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My opinion on your list:

Constantine- SUCKED
Dark Knight -AWESOME
Spawn -SUCKED
Iron Man- AWESOME
Hellboy -SUCKED
Sin City -AWESOME
Spider man 1&2 -AWESOME
V for Vendetta -AWESOME
Incredible hulk -DECENT
Road to perdition -GOOD
History of Violence -AWESOME


But you basically proved the point that you were trying to make that, not all comic book movies suck. Some are really, really good. And amen for not listing 300, that movie SUCKED too--but where was Batman Begins? That movie was AWESOME too. The old school first two Superman movies with Christopher Reeve were pretty good for their time too. But yea, overall (generally most of the time) Hollywood does tend to usually fuck up the comic book when they put it on film.
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--but where was Batman Begins? That movie was AWESOME too.
I pretty much included Batman Begins with TDK. Like I posted above I think they are about equal
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