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Old 08-24-2009, 01:10 PM   #331 (permalink)
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I'd like to see a sequel made as well, but only if Bay directs and it has nothing more than alien blowing our pretentious asses to pieces, like no contest...just explosions.

I really enjoyed the movie, but when I walked out the door and saw Bastards playing across the hall, I had a twinge of the grass is greener on the other side of the hallway feeling. Haven't read anything about Bastards, just think the trailer, cast, and crew look for a good movie experience.

In reality, I'd rather not have a sequel. As many in this thread have pointed out, there are a lot of things you just aren't supposed to know, you draw a lot of your own conclusions on a few things. I'd like the three year return to be one of those things, I think.

I also thought it started too quickly, I personally would have rather watched a longer, more detailed movie. That being said, I do believe the film was well executed for director's intent (if that assumption is to be made) that this movie was just a chapter in the middle of a non existent (I think?) book, an excerpt, if you will.
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Old 08-24-2009, 06:37 PM   #332 (permalink)
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Yeah. Though I'm curious if they've fleshed it all out.

I know when a friend and I were writing a story for a game, we developed way more than just the time frame of the game. Like the ship could have been a refugee from a war, against an enemy who almost wiped out their species, and that could extend back millenia.
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Old 08-25-2009, 08:48 AM   #333 (permalink)
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Part of the illusion of the documentary style filming is that they make sure the veiwer is not privy to any more information than the characters. We don't know the backstory because the people of Earth during the movie don't know. Same idea to Cloverfield which accomplished the same goal I thought.
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Old 08-25-2009, 08:50 AM   #334 (permalink)
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Same idea to Cloverfield which accomplished the same goal I thought.
How long is that supposed to simmer? I had pretty much forgotten about Cloverfeild and its future implications....

Any news on the sequel or what?
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Old 08-25-2009, 11:10 AM   #335 (permalink)
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First, the existance of Christopher and his little operation is entirely unexplored. As someone mentioned, if they simply had Wikus make some form of inquiry. I mean they are in a weapon and crime infested slum of unintelligent insect creatures and he strolls into a fucking chemistry lab and extensive network of computer hardware and doesn't say 'WTF is this?' to Christopher? Please...

Second, for a film that seemed to be attempting realism within a surreal context some of the action scene were ludicrous. Busting into an international defense contractors operation to steal the canister armed simply with one gun (albiet powerful). Also, I remember a scene where they are being chased by the helicopter on the way out of that break-in. The car is getting peppered by bullets from above and they simply hit the brakes jump out and somehow cover a few hundred feet without a problem - the helo simply stopped caring apparently. I understand these are pretty detailed nit-picks but at the same time these are the same little things that make a viewer become engrossed in the movie. I should never stop in the middle of the movie and think "Jesus, that just makes so sense at all". You loose your focus on the story.

Third, for a relatively down to earth office worker, and one who seems interested in the preservation of some form of rights for the Prawns (especially evidenced when the killing of the innocent Prawn in the weapons testing effected him so greatly) he was more than fucking happy to blow the ever-loving shit out of other humans. I mean we are talking covered in the blood of his fellow men - yet he is unphased. The only way they get around this is making the few MNU soldiers so over-the-top dickish and have some unbounded hatred for Prawns that they are 'evil'. This caricaturing of the MNU police is unrealistic and a cheap vehicle to allow the special effects team to think up some graphic ways to kill them off.
1. They explain it by having Wikkus say it's for decoration or something I thought.

2. I agree, they shouldn't have had the helicopter in the first place, or better yet, shot it and a bunch more down. With the tesla-coil gun it wouldn't have been very hard. They'd also have to deal with the fact that there'd be a satellite staring at them as soon as they left but /shrug. It would have been better if they broke into a small MNU camp somewhere close to, or in, District9 for the fluid.

3. They explain it by having Wikkus say, "BUT HE SHOT AT ME!" when he killed his first human. Also by the end of the movie he was full-crazy.
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Old 08-25-2009, 11:31 AM   #336 (permalink)
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1. They explain it by having Wikkus say it's for decoration or something I thought.

2. I agree, they shouldn't have had the helicopter in the first place, or better yet, shot it and a bunch more down. With the tesla-coil gun it wouldn't have been very hard. They'd also have to deal with the fact that there'd be a satellite staring at them as soon as they left but /shrug. It would have been better if they broke into a small MNU camp somewhere close to, or in, District9 for the fluid.

3. They explain it by having Wikkus say, "BUT HE SHOT AT ME!" when he killed his first human. Also by the end of the movie he was full-crazy.
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As for 1. He was kinda out of it during the chemistry lab bit. And he couldn't have confronted christopher about that, since christopher's house was different from the chem lab house.

As for 3, as Tuco stated, he was pretty freaked out about the first one. But after that it was simple survival. You see how he didn't want to kill people, but he gets rightfully pissed off. Like when christopher is being held, he's standing there in a mech suit, with some awesome weaponry..and he initially runs away. It was only because they were going to kill christopher that he went back.

Most of his killing was rage induced. And I'm pretty sure anyone in those kinds of situations would do the same thing. I don't know, people trying to eat my arm, cut me up for science, shooting me...and I'm using weaponry that vaporizes people..well..I might be hard pressed not to want to kill people.
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Old 08-25-2009, 05:00 PM   #337 (permalink)
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Extremely excellent movie. The closest thing I could use to describe it in other-movie terms would be Independence Day meets Cloverfield. But a lot different.

And I don't understand people complaining about the main character. I thought he came off rather well.

It's a must-see for sure. Can't wait for the extended edition.
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Old 08-26-2009, 09:52 AM   #338 (permalink)
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As for 1. He was kinda out of it during the chemistry lab bit. And he couldn't have confronted christopher about that, since christopher's house was different from the chem lab house.

As for 3, as Tuco stated, he was pretty freaked out about the first one. But after that it was simple survival. You see how he didn't want to kill people, but he gets rightfully pissed off. Like when christopher is being held, he's standing there in a mech suit, with some awesome weaponry..and he initially runs away. It was only because they were going to kill christopher that he went back.

Most of his killing was rage induced. And I'm pretty sure anyone in those kinds of situations would do the same thing. I don't know, people trying to eat my arm, cut me up for science, shooting me...and I'm using weaponry that vaporizes people..well..I might be hard pressed not to want to kill people.
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I agree with the idea of survival instincts. I guess I thought the transition from quiet unassuming project manager to renegade one man killing machine (spouting off shit like "come get some" in the mech) was abrupt, unrealistic, and completely out of character. It just felt like a little kids story where someone gets superpowers and they are pandering to all those little kids who think "Oh man it would be SO cool to have superpowers". Granted this was not for little kids but the same concept applied. They are just pandering to all the people who get a boner thinking about what they could do with those weapons.

Not sure if that all came out right, but hopefully people get an idea of what I mean.
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Old 08-26-2009, 11:32 AM   #339 (permalink)
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I agree with the idea of survival instincts. I guess I thought the transition from quiet unassuming project manager to renegade one man killing machine (spouting off shit like "come get some" in the mech) was abrupt, unrealistic, and completely out of character. It just felt like a little kids story where someone gets superpowers and they are pandering to all those little kids who think "Oh man it would be SO cool to have superpowers". Granted this was not for little kids but the same concept applied. They are just pandering to all the people who get a boner thinking about what they could do with those weapons.

Not sure if that all came out right, but hopefully people get an idea of what I mean.
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My opinion is at the point he's in the mech, he's still thinking in a survival mindset up until he sees christopher about to get it. Then he just goes crazy at that point. It's not that far fetched.
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Old 08-26-2009, 12:59 PM   #340 (permalink)
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My opinion is at the point he's in the mech, he's still thinking in a survival mindset up until he sees christopher about to get it. Then he just goes crazy at that point. It's not that far fetched.
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If you listen really closely to what he says in the suit (which is hard due to accent and noise of battle), he starts to scream things like "I'm not running anymore!" as well. It's not just F you, F this, Come get some. He's quite literally breaking down in front of us and reaching that point where a person can go nuts and push back

Him pushing back made perfect sense to me due to all that came before. Of all the characters I had trouble understanding, Christopher was above Wikus. He was very forgiving of the human Wikus, even before Wikus saved him and allowed his escape (at which point it would've made more sense to me).

Still a great movie.
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If you listen really closely to what he says in the suit (which is hard due to accent and noise of battle), he starts to scream things like "I'm not running anymore!" as well. It's not just F you, F this, Come get some. He's quite literally breaking down in front of us and reaching that point where a person can go nuts and push back

Him pushing back made perfect sense to me due to all that came before. Of all the characters I had trouble understanding, Christopher was above Wikus. He was very forgiving of the human Wikus, even before Wikus saved him and allowed his escape (at which point it would've made more sense to me).

Still a great movie.
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I think he felt sorry for the guy, probably felt a little guilt since it was his canister. I was a little surprised at the end when he says 'I will come back for you, 3 years'. Even though Wikus saved him, it was Wikus fault that he was in the position in the first place.
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Old 09-05-2009, 04:10 AM   #342 (permalink)
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Just watched it tonight, I thought it was great. I thought Wikus' progression seemed feasible, given the shit he had gone through up until the point of him going insane. I mean, try to put yourself in his shoes and tell me you wouldn't start vaporizing people.

Can't wait for Blu-ray release, definitely going to grab it.
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Old 09-05-2009, 05:31 AM   #343 (permalink)
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I watched it tonight also. Loved this movie. I also thought the lead actor was fantastic and deserves an oscar nomination for his performance.
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Old 09-05-2009, 08:11 AM   #344 (permalink)
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I watched it tonight also. Loved this movie. I also thought the lead actor was fantastic and deserves an oscar nomination for his performance.
Same here, and couldn't agree more. Was very surprised by how much I enjoyed this movie towards the end. Story was so much deeper than what it advertised.
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Old 09-05-2009, 03:13 PM   #345 (permalink)
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Saw this right when it came out but never commented.

Thought the movie was amazing and thought it was unlikly an alien story like this could have ever been done nearly this well.


If they ever do make a movie based off Halo I would vote for this combination of Peter Jackson, Neill Blomkamp, special effects team ect.
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