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Old 07-29-2008, 07:08 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Your troll attempt gets a 2/10 because you posted it after a pic of a female combat pilot.
female pilot? where? looks like she has more testosterone than most guys on this board.

Im sure there are a few genetic anomalies that can be combat pilots. I never said there wasn't.

If I was a combat pilot I would refuse to fly with any female wingmen. Its just not worth the risk.
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Old 07-30-2008, 08:49 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Thats right people putting your hair up means you have waaay to much testosterone. And its a damm good thing your not a combat pilot your giant muscles wouldn't allow you to enter the cockpit.
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Old 07-30-2008, 10:54 AM   #63 (permalink)
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There are lots of women pilots in the US military these days, and yes they can fly combat aircraft. Five years ago this young captain had her A10 turned into swiss cheese over baghdad:
Cool then. I just genuinely didn't know, I don't think that there's anything preventing women from being good combat pilots. Other than menstruation. I don't want to see what 9G's and a heavy flow will do to a flight suit.
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Old 07-30-2008, 04:08 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Cool then. I just genuinely didn't know, I don't think that there's anything preventing women from being good combat pilots. Other than menstruation. I don't want to see what 9G's and a heavy flow will do to a flight suit.
Im not trolling, they really do not make the best pilots.

Get yourself familiar with this first;

Spatial visualization ability - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Spatial-temporal reasoning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Then more generally, but more relevant;

Cognition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now heres the part I don't have time for, since I have already performed this research years ago and no longer have the relevant abstracts on hand. So this is where you do your own homework. Ill get you started. Ignore the specifics of these studies such as "older men" etc. That is irrelevant. What these abstracts say about the relationship between cognitive function and testosterone is what is important. Id interpret each of these studies for you, but I don't want to spend the time on it. Like I said Ive been through this before. This is just scratching the surface, like I said you have to do your own homework.

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School of Medicine and Pharmacology, University of Western Australia, Australia. byeap@cyllene.uwa.edu.au

OBJECTIVE: To determine the relationship of total and free serum testosterone to cognitive performance in older men. DESIGN: Cross-sectional study of a population-based sample. Participants A total of 2932 men aged 70-89 years. MEASUREMENTS: Cognitive function was assessed using the Standardized Mini-Mental State Examination (SMMSE). Early morning sera were assayed for total testosterone, SHBG and LH. Free testosterone was calculated using the Vermeulen method. RESULTS: There were weak positive correlations between SMMSE score and serum free testosterone (Spearman's rho = 0.06, P = 0.001) and total testosterone (r = 0.04, P = 0.027), and a weak negative correlation with LH (r = -0.07, P < 0.001). Men with SMMSE scores in the top quintile had higher serum free testosterone compared with those in the lowest quintile [median (interquartile range, IQR): 278 (228-335) vs. 262 (212-320) pmol/l, P = 0.003], but similar total testosterone [15.2 (11.9-18.8) vs. 14.8 (11.6-18.3) nmol/l, P = 0.118]. Increasing age, non-English-speaking background, lower educational attainment, presence of clinically significant depressive symptoms, and cardiovascular morbidity were associated with the lowest cognitive performance quintile. After their effects were taken into account in a multivariate analysis, serum free testosterone > or = 210 pmol/l was associated with reduced likelihood of poor cognitive performance on the SMMSE [odds ratio (OR) 0.71, 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.52-0.97]. CONCLUSIONS: In community-dwelling older men, serum free testosterone > or = 210 pmol/l is associated with better cognitive performance. In this context, calculated free testosterone seems to be a more informative measure of androgen status than total testosterone. Studies examining the contribution of androgens to age-related cognitive decline should incorporate an assessment of free testosterone concentration.

PMID: 17888021 [PubMed - in process]


Department of Psychology and Program in Neuroscience, 108 Giltner Hall, Michigan State University, East Lansing, Michigan 48824-1101, USA. zuloagad@msu.edu

Many studies demonstrate that exposure to testicular steroids such as testosterone early in life masculinizes the developing brain, leading to permanent changes in behavior. Traditionally, masculinization of the rodent brain is believed to depend on estrogen receptors (ERs) and not androgen receptors (ARs). According to the aromatization hypothesis, circulating testosterone from the testes is converted locally in the brain by aromatase to estrogens, which then activate ERs to masculinize the brain. However, an emerging body of evidence indicates that the aromatization hypothesis cannot fully account for sex differences in brain morphology and behavior, and that androgens acting on ARs also play a role. The testicular feminization mutation (Tfm) in rodents, which produces a nonfunctional AR protein, provides an excellent model to probe the role of ARs in the development of brain and behavior. Tfm rodent models indicate that ARs are normally involved in the masculinization of many sexually dimorphic brain regions and a variety of behaviors, including sexual behaviors, stress response and cognitive processing. We review the role of ARs in the development of the brain and behavior, with an emphasis on what has been learned from Tfm rodents as well as from related mutations in humans causing complete androgen insensitivity.

PMID: 18374335 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, University of Washington Medical School, 1959 NE Pacific, Box 356560, Seattle, WA 98195, USA. cherrier@u.washington.edu

BACKGROUND: Our laboratory has previously reported that testosterone (T) administration to older men significantly improves cognitive function. This study examined potential changes in insulin-like growth factor (IGF) IGF-I, IGF-II and IGF-related binding proteins in response to T administration in older men and their relationship to cognitive functioning. METHODS: Twenty-five healthy community dwelling volunteers, ranging in age from 50-80 years were randomized to receive weekly intra-muscular (i.m.) injections of either 100 mg T enanthate or placebo (saline) for 6 weeks. Serum hormone levels and cognitive functioning was assessed at baseline and twice during treatment. RESULTS: Significant positive associations between IGF-I and IGF-II and spatial memory, spatial reasoning, and verbal fluency were observed after 6 weeks of T administration. Increased serum T levels from treatment were positively associated with improvement in spatial reasoning performance, whereas estradiol was associated with a decline in divided attention performance. Serum IGF-I, IGF-II and IGFBPs did not change in response to T treatment. CONCLUSIONS: Our results suggest that T, estradiol and IGF-I may have independent and selective effects on cognitive functioning. Positive associations between T levels and cognition are consistent with an effect of androgen treatment, whereas positive associations between IGF-I levels and cognition are reflective of a relationship between endogenous IGF-I levels and cognition.

PMID: 14575730 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


Atatürk University, Medical Faculty, Department of Physiology, Erzurum, Turkey.

The relationships among nonverbal intelligence, hand speed, and serum testosterone level were studied in male left-handers ranging in age from 17 to 19 years. Hand speed was measured by a peg moving task. To assess the differences between nonverbal IQs. Cattell's Culture Fair Intelligence Test was used. There was a direct correlation between IQ and testosterone. IQ increased linearly with right-hand speed, which was directly related to testosterone. There was no significant correlation between IQ and left-hand speed, which was not significantly correlated with testosterone. IQ decreased with left- minus right-hand speed, which also decreased with testosterone. It was suggested that nonverbal spatial reasoning ability may be directly associated with the efficiency of left brain, which is favored by testosterone in male left-handers. It was also concluded that the left to right asymmetry in hand speed may depend on efficiency of the right brain in left-handed males.

PMID: 8407147 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]








No woman hating here, just straight talk. They don't make the best pilots, and it is due to gender. Looks like I dismantled yet another piece of the FOH liberal feminist agenda. Its a gaming messageboard so I guess you have to expect ignorance at every turn. Comment: "I hope you're a troll. The alternative is too terrifying to consider." Just wow, there are some real dumb fucking asses on this board.
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Old 07-30-2008, 04:13 PM   #65 (permalink)
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female pilot? where? looks like she has more testosterone than most guys on this board.
You mean because she works out and therefore is in a better shape than your fucking lazy sloth ass she's not "female"?
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Old 07-30-2008, 04:19 PM   #66 (permalink)
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You mean because she works out and therefore is in a better shape than your fucking lazy sloth ass she's not "female"?
edit: canned the sideshow.

Back to the science.
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Old 07-31-2008, 03:07 PM   #67 (permalink)
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No woman hating here, just straight talk. They don't make the best pilots, and it is due to gender. Looks like I dismantled yet another piece of the FOH liberal feminist agenda. Its a gaming messageboard so I guess you have to expect ignorance at every turn. Comment: "I hope you're a troll. The alternative is too terrifying to consider." Just wow, there are some real dumb fucking asses on this board.
Didn't read any links, because I'll probably just agree with them for the most part.
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Old 07-31-2008, 06:38 PM   #68 (permalink)
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How can you tell if she works out or has a high testosterone level or anything about her body at all in that flight suit? Her weight could vary 50 pounds and you wouldn't be able to tell. Idiots.
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:58 PM   #69 (permalink)
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That chick sure did fuck up.

I bet she's flying cargo planes full of rubber dogshit out of Honk Kong.
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Old 08-01-2008, 02:59 AM   #70 (permalink)
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How can you tell if she works out or has a high testosterone level or anything about her body at all in that flight suit? Her weight could vary 50 pounds and you wouldn't be able to tell. Idiots.
And nobody cares. We moved on from that sideshow.
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