Death Race (Jason Stratham and Ian McShane))

[Frax]

Originally Posted by Astrocreep

you mean a movie about a poisoned man trying any and all means to stay alive isnt realistic compared to a movie about a bunch of convicts who just happen to have a gassed up armored machinegun car to give away for a race instead of using it themselves to escape their PRISON?

Neither is realistic is the point.

[Vorph]

Crank is one of my favorite movies of the last decade or so, but realism certainly isn't its strong suit. In fact, I'd say it was one of the most absurdly unrealistic movies I've ever seen--but I'm pretty sure that was the entire point. On top of everything that happened to the guy, he actually survived the ending and they are in the process of making Crank 2 now. And as absurd as that should sound to anyone who watched the first, I cannot wait for it to come out.

Not sure why realism matters anyway, the original Death Race 2000 wasn't realistic either but it was a good movie. I doubt this remade Death Race will be anywhere near as good as Wanted (or the original), but I'll still go see it just to break up the monotony of the PG-13 summer.

[Burkex]

I thought the preview looked cool. Definitely worth checking out in a matinee and if it sucks you can always leave the movie and jump into another one that is just about to start, I have actually seen many great movies that way, ones which I never intended to see in the theaters.

[Astrocreep]

Originally Posted by Frax

Neither is realistic is the point.

you're the one talking about realism, most movies arent realistic thats why we go to the movies, to escape reality for a little while. but the convicts of a prison in possession of heavy weaponry and armored race cars isnt just non realistic its so unnecesary. if it was a monastery full of buddhist monks that build armor machinegun cars on their weekends i would be happy with that, no problems there. but the whole point of being in a prison is that you arent supposed to be able to get out. having 30mm machine turrets and an armored racing car negates the whole purpose of maximum security.

[GrobbeeTrull2.0]

Astrocreep - they race inside the prison facility, and it appears to me that a 30mm machine gun and a few paltry missiles won't breach the defenses.

It's like letting people play with matches because you know you have a flame thrower.

[Awanka]

The trailers for this movie made me think of "The Condemned." I hope it turns out to be better than that one.

[Ahnkosis]

Originally Posted by Awanka

The trailers for this movie made me think of "The Condemned." I hope it turns out to be better than that one.

Are you kidding me?? Stone Cold Steve Austin would stomp a mudhole through your ass for saying such things.

I don't know what's worse...the fact that this is another movie in Jason Statham's downhill slide, or the fact that they made a sequel to Death Race 2000.

[Frax]

Originally Posted by Astrocreep

you're the one talking about realism, most movies arent realistic thats why we go to the movies, to escape reality for a little while. but the convicts of a prison in possession of heavy weaponry and armored race cars isnt just non realistic its so unnecesary. if it was a monastery full of buddhist monks that build armor machinegun cars on their weekends i would be happy with that, no problems there. but the whole point of being in a prison is that you arent supposed to be able to get out. having 30mm machine turrets and an armored racing car negates the whole purpose of maximum security.

Now, following the line of thinking that the winner gets his freedom wouldn't you be able to deduce that they must be able to control the people on the track to a degree, even if they are in armored and armed vehicles? It's not like a huge leap of faith or anything...

It's a fictional movie, if you find fault with silly things in silly movies, you aren't going to the movies to actually enjoy movies for the entertainment, perhaps?

BTW the Mustang does not even have 30mm machine guns (30mm generally being considered a cannon or auto cannon and not a machine gun anyways), it has a pair of Minigun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. The recoil on a 30MM auto cannon would probably stop that mustang from moving forward at all if it was firing. It's not even correct in that aspect, and I don't care. It looks like a fun movie with shit blowing up and hopefully Ian McShane cursing up a storm as only he can.

[Astrocreep]

Originally Posted by Frax

Now, following the line of thinking that the winner gets his freedom wouldn't you be able to deduce that they must be able to control the people on the track to a degree, even if they are in armored and armed vehicles? It's not like a huge leap of faith or anything...

It's a fictional movie, if you find fault with silly things in silly movies, you aren't going to the movies to actually enjoy movies for the entertainment, perhaps?

BTW the Mustang does not even have 30mm machine guns (30mm generally being considered a cannon or auto cannon and not a machine gun anyways), it has a pair of Minigun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. The recoil on a 30MM auto cannon would probably stop that mustang from moving forward at all if it was firing. It's not even correct in that aspect, and I don't care. It looks like a fun movie with shit blowing up and hopefully Ian McShane cursing up a storm as only he can.

fine but they are in a prison with miniguns and armored cars and they are hoping that a race will buy freedom? dude wtf

[Frax]

I'm just going to say you seem to be overly critical of mindless entertainment flicks. This isn't Ben Hur or Lawrence of Arabia, it's a "B" movie with T&A and Jason Stratham kicking people's asses while driving a car or with some crazy jackie chan martial arts stuff. If you look past that basics of a summer action movie you can find ridiculous plot holes and horrible logic all along the way to the conclusion. If you don't look that deep, you just get some entertaining stuff on screen for 90 minutes and just enjoy the time.

I have four categories for movies when I see a trailer, and like everyone i tend to prejudge them on what I see in that trailer.

1) Movies that that suck and I probably wouldn't watch or end up not finishing minutes into the pain of watching (John Waters movies, almost anything on Sci-Fi, Soul Plane, recent Eddie Murphy movies, etc)

2) Popcorn movies I'll watch for some mindless fun (this one is a great example, I put it right along side the other Road Warrior rip off earlier this year, Doomsday. I"ll see both at some point)

3) Films that are quality but sometimes take themselves too serious. Usually good films but not widely accepted as 'great'. (I put Revenge of the Sith in this category, could have been great but just missed the mark. Hell I even think Waterworld could have been great if they had not gone so over the top with the Exxon Valdez crap, but as is, its an enjoyable movie)

4) Great films (see Ben Hur, Lawrence of Arabia, Gone with the Wind, Unforgiven, the first two Indy movies, The Empire Strikes Back, Citzen Kane, Saving Private Ryan, Schindler's List, Raging Bull, Godfather.. etc... movies that are for the most part, undisputed fantastic movies.). These ones are almost always 'must see' types of films.

[Vorph]

The original is about a cross country race where points are scored for running down pedestrians, and is considered a cult classic today despite its rather ridiculous premise. This one sounds like a cross between the original concept and Running Man.

[Astrocreep]

i dont think im being overly critical of the film, as my fans on this board like to claim that i have terrble taste in movies. what you're suggesting is that im some kind of finicky critic. i like stupid movies. i can watch them all day long with a big stupid ass smile on my face. but when the premise of the movie is escaping from jail with a race when you already had the means to bust your way out it reeks of a bad script. now if this prison inmates stole the warden's personal armored guncar and entered it in the race and they changed it so he wouldnt recognize it.... no thats still stupid. wtf, a car race in jail? man i can see football in prison and i can see a rodeo, but an autorace? sorry i can only accept so much bs.

at least deathrace 2000 had cool looking cars and kickass actors like stallone and david carradine, it was the future, 70s style and i could see hippies getting all wtf over a world that had auto races where running down pedestrians earned you points. if they remade that movie now it would probably be awesome with the gore but this is just pointless and since it doesnt look like a big budget flick its gonna look cheezy like it was meant to be a sci fi channel original movie or something.

[Vvoid]

Originally Posted by Astrocreep

but when the premise of the movie is escaping from jail with a race when you already had the means to bust your way out it reeks of a bad script.

You realize that you have just summarized the plot, right? The previews practically give you on a silver platter the fact that Statham and Tyrese team up and bust out and get out of the wardens control. Does that make you any happier?

[Awanka]

Originally Posted by Vorph

The original is about a cross country race where points are scored for running down pedestrians, and is considered a cult classic today despite its rather ridiculous premise. This one sounds like a cross between the original concept and Running Man.

Which reminds me. Someone needs to make a remake of Carmageddon.

[Astrocreep]

Originally Posted by Vvoid

You realize that you have just summarized the plot, right? The previews practically give you on a silver platter the fact that Statham and Tyrese team up and bust out and get out of the wardens control. Does that make you any happier?

yes i realize that, which is what im fussing about. didnt any of the writers take 2 minutes and say, hey if we give these priosners automatic weapons and transportation why would they give a fuck about jason statham in a race? they could just cruise the fuck on out of that prison in style.