Superman Returns Sequel: Man of Steel (2009)

[UnchainedAcolyte]

WHY???

Superman: Man of Steel (2009)

I was hoping they wouldn't continue the absolute emo-faggotry exhibited in Superman Returns. The only redeeming part of the movie was the cast (Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor especially).

Maybe they'll get someone other than Singer to direct, and someone more familiar with the comics and the evolution of the character over the years.

Then I read this:

Bryan Singer Confirmed to Direct Superman: The Man of Steel

While I'm a fan of his work regarding the X-Men characters (not necessarily the canon) in X-Men 1/2, and being Executive Producer for House, I thought his work on Superman Returns was absolute garbage.

Haven't found anything regarding a plot or synopsis yet, either, given the question of writers. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

[Braen]

Heres hoping it involves someone other than Luthor. I will take a Brainiac or Darkseid or something.

The movie wasn't completely horrible but it definately wasn't perfect... Had some really good moments like the airplane scene but I still think Lois was miscast.

That airplane rescue was really well done.

[HailToTheChimp]

Hopefully Superman actually throws a punch in this movie.

[Lyrical]

Originally Posted by HailToTheChimp

Hopefully Superman actually throws a punch in this movie.

I'd like to see some Superman II type levels of action with actual super-powered villains. Maybe the Parasite, Mongul, Darkseid, anything other than people with guns.

[UnchainedAcolyte]

Originally Posted by Braen

That airplane rescue was really well done.

I'll concede that scene, and quite a bit of the cinematography. I'd agree that Lois was miscast as well.

However, the plot just seemed terribly awkward and repetitive (see Superman I with Christopher Reeve).

Every time I think about the plot I think of Family Guy's take on the "Deadbeat Dad" angle.



I second the call for an action-oriented film. I would guess for character development/catharsis, though, that if WB wants to correct their course, that they follow suite with Man of Steel being "Death of Superman" (highlighting other supervillains in the process and Spacey returning for a bitter cameo over Doomsday's "triumph"), with Return of Superman being the third film, and glimpses of Superman/Doomsday graphic novel material at the end, possibly in a fourth film.

[Blank]

Honestly never cared for Superman or Lex Luthor. I always found him to be sort of a cheesy villain to be honest (at least, how he's portrayed in most/all movies?). I enjoyed the Superman movies (well, 1 and 2) when I first saw them, but they don't exactly stand the test of time :|

Would like to see a Death of Superman movie or something, but something tells me that just won't happen so meh.

[Braen]

I just want to see Superman fight SUPER villians. Lex is great and all if done right, but still he is just a extremely intelligent and creative man. Hell, I would take a Bizzaro, Mxyzptlk, hell bring back General Zod!

Fighting normal humans just makes me feel like Superman always has to hold back...

[The Ancient]

Read Superman: Red Son if you want a great Lex story.

That family guy clip is awful, Lois Lane could never handle Superman's seed.

[Kreugen]

I think he already said something about having action in this one.

[huh]

Hate how Lex is portrayed in the movies. His plans are always so stupid and they surround him with cheesy characters. Evil mastermind my ass.

I'm not a huge fan of Bryan Singer as an action director either. He has his good moments, plane crash in Superman, Nightcrawler in X2. But then he has his bad moments which is everything else.

The writers Singer uses for these movies suck ass too.

[Yutnopash]

Almost every character was cast right except Lois...it had a shitty script imo, but I love the franchise so I even own the dvd. But it should not have had a kid, it felt like whoever wrote the script made the kid character for the sole purpose of having Lois and Superman "reconcile" to a degree for the sake of their child at the end. Also, it was way too fucking long, 2 and a half hours. Should have been 2 tops.

But yeah, Superman Returns was just so..meh. They could have done a lot more with it rather than the route they took, Kevin Smith should have wrote it =(

[Lost Ranger]

I liked the movie overall. I do agree that Lois was not cast properly but other then that I didn't mind it at all. I also own it on DVD hehe. I would love to see a movie with a real supervillian though... much as I love the Lex character I am tired of seeing him on the big screen.

[TheOkapi]

I liked the last movie, despite my nerd-rage moments of "oh, a ring of kryptonite makes him fall over and cry like a baby, but a fucking mountain of kryptonite he picks-the-fuck-up". I agree Lois was a shitty cast, and there needed to be some punches, (I wouldn't be surprised if we saw one or both of those fixed in this) but as was already pointed out, the plane scene was fantastic, and made me really feel for the first time in my life, like a movie had a moment in it where it truly felt like a comic book. It really felt like how I thought it should be. And I'm willing to forgive a lot because of that.

[Vvoid]

I was never a huge Superman fan during my younger years, never collected the comics or anything, despite collecting tons of other comics. I enjoyed the original movies (1 and 2), and watched the black and white TV series as a kid, but still never really thought of Superman much when I had characters like the X-men and Punisher, etc.

However, I will admit to developing an instant raging boner the day I sat down in a movie theater and the previews started, and that familiar haunting music started, and Marlon Brando started to talk. Suddenly, I just HAD to see Superman Returns. Now, I realize it could have been a better movie (although again I had a raging boner during that airplane scene), but in all reality the complaints (some of them by Kevin Smith even) that it was too much of Superman=Jesus are sort of shortsighted. I mean, despite the whole Kryptonite angle (which I've always hated), we're talking about an all-powerful being here. Unless you bring in something as equally all-powerful (Doomsday, Darkseid, etc.) what else are you going to do with the movie besides explore the emotional side of things? I don't know about you, but I'd get a little tired of it if he only fought pistol-wielding thugs like the old TV series.

I'm not trying to defend it, because it really could have been better (the whole leaving without saying goodbye part in particular was such a retarded plot device that I wish I could strangle the person that decided on that), and I would die for Doomsday to be brought to the big screen, but for a first movie I thought it was pretty good. Superman really HAS always been about restraint and doing the right thing. Sure that's not as exciting as "anti-heroes" like Punisher who'd just as soon shoot you as look at you, but that has never been the way Superman is. What the first movie did was actually make me imagine what it would be like to BE Superman. Think about it. You're alone, in all the world, so far removed from humans that we can't even fathom it, yet you still desire that companionship and even love that we all want. You can do anything you want, but you really can't do much of anything because you'll risk hurting the ones you care about. Not only that, but you know that every moment of every day, there is someone that needs your help, but you also know you can't help every single one of them. And despite all of the good you do, there are still those that revile you and would seek to harm you or those you care about. And because you care, you don't just go around killing the people that commit all those heinous crimes. That's what that movie made me think about, not the "ZOMG that fight was so bad ass!"

Don't get me wrong, I want a bad ass fight scene against someone that can take it and give it back, but that movie obviously wasn't about that, so to me if was decent because it made me see the other side of Superman besides just his powers. It also was, for the first time I can EVER remember in a movie, a true depiction of just what someone like that could do. I mean, we all know the Hulk is strong, and could do it in comics, but has he ever lifted up an entire island in a movie? To me, the fact that special effects have "caught up" to being able to truly depict what a Superman could do was cause enough for joy. No more simply catching a helicopter and saving Lois or swooping in and saving a kid at Niagara Falls. We're talking lifting an entire fucking mountain of rock. That was bad ass enough right there.

Here is to hoping that the next couple of movies are at least partly about kicking ass though, since we've had our "development" movie.

[Vvoid]

Originally Posted by TheOkapi

but as was already pointed out, the plane scene was fantastic, and made me really feel for the first time in my life, like a movie had a moment in it where it truly felt like a comic book. It really felt like how I thought it should be. And I'm willing to forgive a lot because of that.

In fewer words, that is exactly what I was trying to say in part of my previous post.