Brotherhood of the Wolf

[Evisceros Headcutter]

By far one of the best movies I've seen in a long time. I went back a few pages and hadn't seen anyone comment on it yet.

If you haven't seen it yet, GO GET IT. I can't say enough good about this one, and it almost makes me forget how smelly French are :P

[Millie]

Originally posted by Evisceros Headcutter
I went back a few pages and hadn't seen anyone comment on it yet.

Actually, there was this thread here: http://www.fohguild.org/forums/showt...threadid=1096. But it's old enough that I won't merge these two threads.

[Drolgin Steingrinder]

Brotherhood of the Wolf is quite possibly one of the assiest movies I have ever seen.

[Evisceros Headcutter]

Thanks for tracking down the old thread, Millie. I haven't been keeping up on this forum like I should be.

By the way, for anyone who saw this in the theater, you should really consider renting the DVD. It includes well done voice overdubs (if the subtitle prevented you from watching this movie, you have no excuse anymore, hehe), and a few deleted scenes which should never have been removed. And, of course, the obligatory director's commentary which gives great insight to certain aspects of the movie, etc. etc.

From the old thread.....

Originally posted by Drolgin Steingrinder:This movie completely sucks. It has no idea where it's going, and ends up as a hodgepodge mixture of costume drama, werewolf comedy thriller and off-the-shelf martial arts movie.

As much as I respect anyone's opinion to dislike any movie(except for "The Godfather" and "Jacob's Ladder", hehe), I don't see how you can say these things. The movie has a definate purpose throughout: To track down the wolf that's been terrorizing the villagers and put a stop to the killings. Add to that an amazingly intricate script, some well written plot twists and character depth, and you have a movie that is compelling to the very end.

As for this movie being a "hodgepodge...of costume drama, werewolf comedy thriller and off-the-shelf martial arts movie", I again have to disagree. The fight scenes were fresh and original, made even better with excellent camera work. The fights weren't inserted for actions sake, but rather they had several different purposes throughout, unlike most "off-the-shelf" martial arts movies, which just throw in fight scenes at every available point.

The "costume drama" was really quite necessary, since it took place in the 18th century (or was it 17th? I can't recall). In fact, I thought the costumes were well done. Not overly lavish or particularly drab, they appeared to be very accurate to me(as far as I can tell, which isn't that far, really lol).

Now as a "werewolf comedy thriller", I am completely lost. Did you also think that "Deliverance" was the feel good, tear jerking, romantic comedy of the year? Nowhere in the movie is there any mention of a werewolf that I can recall. Also, I didn't seem to find much humor in the movie. Obviously there was some, as most every movie ever made has at least a little humor to one extent or another. You also have to remember, this movie gets darker and darker as it progresses, so you need to start out light, to add contrast to the latter part of the movie. Or did you mean comedy in the Shakespearean sense? In either case, I can't see how you could discredit a movie for having either humorous content OR a surviving protagonist.

Anyway, if you read this far, you should be commended for sitting through my entire session of senseless babble, lol. I'm gonna go play some EQ and wonder why I wrote such a monster. Later!


edit: spaced out my post, lol

[Synd D`nys]

I really enjoyed BotW when I saw it in the theater. If you can suspend your disbelief enough to accept the concept of a Native American Kung-Fu Master Shaman wandering around in 18th Century France, it is well worth the watch.

Don't try to get anything more out of it then a really well filmed action movie because thats all it is. If you go into it with that mind set, you should enjoy it alot.

The best thing to come out of France since escargo. Yes I know they are snails but damn they are yummy.

[Kaylum]

Originally posted by Synd D`nys
I really enjoyed BotW when I saw it in the theater. If you can suspend your disbelief enough to accept the concept of a Native American Kung-Fu Master Shaman wandering around in 18th Century France, it is well worth the watch.

actually there are native american tribes that had similar techniques to asian martial arts.

the primary reason you dont see them popularized is that they have not (until recent times) begun to consoldate them into formal schools.

thus in many asian countrys martial arts training assumed a specialized nature. one entered training with a teacher. This was an added dimension or a specialized area of study for an individual. in contrast the native american's grew up in a society and environment where the martial arts rather then being a specialized art was a necessary component of their lives. threat was moment to moment and one always maintained a spirit of readiness.

in the last couple of decades formal indian teachers have finally begun to collect and document the indian techniques which have rarely been discussed with the outside world. many techiniques have been lost to time without documentation outside the oral historys (which often discuss them only in vague terms such as "the way of the warrior") what remains has been preserved mostly through a few father to son traditions.

if you do some searching youll find native american martial arts such as "Hanta Yo" (which means "Clear the Way" a Lakota Sioux term, which indicates great faith and strong intention)

now im not saying that BOTW as a movie was very accurate to american indian techniques, but it wasnt a pure hong kong flick either. if you notice, he doesnt use alot of the pre-attack theatrics (such as posing or performing a stance) and many of the attacks lack the snap at the start of the attack but rather only use it at the end. it came accross to me as a mixture of indian and asian combat techniques with a bit a showmanship tossed in for the sake of the movie.

if im not mistaken the actor mark dacascos; who played Mani the indian did work with a consultant from the mohawk wolf tribe.

[Evisceros Headcutter]

Yes, and oddly enough, Mani was the only "made up" character in the movie. All the other characters, according to the dvd, were actual people involved with the real legend.

[Zanoan]

Just saw the movie yesterday. Named The Pact or some on my cover of Dvd rip.. Didn't know it was this movie before today reading an SH thread about dagger scenes in movies and someone mentioned end of Brotherhood of the Wolf. So I hit up yahoo, searched for some description of the movie and behold, the same names and story what I just saw heh.

anyway, my comment is its an okay movie but not really that brilliant... the whole lion in disguise thing was pretty weak imo. male lions are by nature very lazy afaik, and there's no way you can pet em enough to control them to hunt ppl etc.

and well, the story behind that clan who used a beast and stuff to their benefits and all seems well weird to me.

actors and fight scenes were a plus though.

but the worst part is - he took marianne instead of the brunette mysterious chick~~

[Bumbaz]

Did most of the people watching the movie forget to turn on their brains during this movie? Do you not understand what the "Brotherhood of the Wolf" was? Thats what the movie was about, the Brotherhood was a group formed by the religious sect to keep people in line. They used it as many churches did as a fear factor to keep people in line. It was based on a real event that happened with a "wolf" or some mysterious animal that tore through many people, this was their explanation. It doesn't seem too far off either as Catholic and other religions have used similar scare tactics to keep people in line. They didn't expect the Naturalist to actually find the answer. Like someone else said Mani was the only fictionalized character, yes they did put action into the movie, but it still had story. Also the person that said it was simply an excuse to have outlandish fights, please watch the DVD. You will notice how they shot, and fully edited the initial fight between Mani and the vagrants as a full 15 minute bitch fest that included the naturalist. But they said it didn't fit with the characters arc and thus cut the fight down to 5 minutes with only Mani opening up a can of whoop ass. A movie that can show that type of restraint (they have the full 15 minute edited fight on the disc) is not just an excuse for fighting.

Movie had problems like any other, it did drag a little bit in the middle, but overall I thought it was good. Remember a movie is more then pretty colors lighting up the screen. Sometimes you have to read (literally in this movie) a movie to get the message. Also I'm sure most Tigers are lazy dopes that just sit on their butt, but this wasn't just a Tiger he picked up in the petshop. I think they did a well enough job to explain that he trained it for a while to get it to the killing machine it was. Imaginations are groovy when watching a movie.

[Southern]

the brotherhood of the wolf immaentized the eschaton...


southern

[psu199]

Well, I havn't really posted on these boards before, and I tend to believe that movie opinions are personal, so I hate to debate the quality of a movie with people, but I must say I am surprised.

Brotherhood of the Wolf was the second movie EVER that I actually wanted to walk out of (Battlefield Earth being the first)

I didn't walk out, and I regretted it after. The plot was rediclious, (sorry for those of you who havn't seen it, I hate spoiling movies) but a lion running around in weird ass armor killing people is kinda lame. The characters were also terribly developed. Very little depth given to ANY of the characters, not to mention the lack of insight we were given to the main character.

Now all of my above points really don't matter. The film was billed as a slam dunk action film. With awsome fight scenes and the like. I found every fight scene to be repetitivly frusturating to the point where i wanted to cry. Each fight was done in painful slowmotion. I enjoy slowmotion when used correctly (see The Matrix) but when whole fights are done that way (with your Rocky like sweat flying off people constantly) It's never good.

Thats just my opinion, if you loved it, excellent, I'm glad someone got something out of the money they spent.

Brian

[Kinidyen]

The cinematography in this move was outfuckingstanding, as well as casting and costume design. Personally I dug the film, and that is unusual as I am usually quite picky.

Kinidyen

[Geleon Isking]

when me and evisceros were lvl 30 outside guk, and him apologizing for havin to run to go meet his buddy, god those days fucking owned, i wasnt such an ass back then...hi im random

[phatboy]

BotW straight up owned. I was somewhat expecting more flesh ripping, throat gouging scenes though. Oh well, the hot naked chick made up for it... ya, and the good cinematography, costumes and that other shit... but the nudity owned!

phat

[Iannis]

I was taking french II at the time it was in theaters, and I was like...OMFG I'm able to understand them!

Anyway. For awhile I thought the indian(native american *cough*) was a chinese dude since he knew martial arts and shit...I can't really recall enough of the movie to be able to comment on it very well anymore.