Terminator 4: Abandon all Hope

[TheCutlery]

Originally Posted by Mr Element

Heres my disappointments:

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-Apparently the terminators went on a diet and don't weigh as much as they use to. I could have sworn an alloy exoskeleton was pretty heavy thus couldn't be thrown around like a rag doll. (see T2 fight scenes between Arnie and T-1000)
-Extremely attractive women in masculine roles. Moon Bloodgood's character was COMPLETELY useless and out of place.
-Seeing rapper's names in opening credits.
-I didn't like that the terminators in 2018 seemed more advanced than the ones we see in 2029. The machines in 2029 were able to build human sized biped robots, large tank-like robots and some aircrafts that hovered slowly. The "big terminator" at the gas station should not have been a biped. Why make something that big walk on two feet? it's completely unnessesary.
-I hate robots that easily hover/defy gravity. This goes back to their technology being better than in 2029. The war against the machines is a lot more interesting if it's a ground war. Also, why change the look of the machines? The originals were badass.
-The cancer lady at the beginning would have been fine if she was just a recruiter for Skynet or something, but I hate how she wound up being the cliche bigbrother computer face thing.
-Movie plots are better when they DON'T have to be explained by a villian.
-Who was the villian again, anyway? Terminator movies (the good ones) are characteristically a cat and mouse game featuring a seemingly unstoppable force chasing after the hero. The movie features two story lines playing out in the same time frame. This movie was so linear and ended up going no where.
-Should have been R. Every person in the theatre when i saw it was 18+.
-It was confusing for people who haven't seen the other movies. (Terminator 2 was purposefully made so anyeone could understand it regardless if they saw 1)
-I pretty much hated all the 'scout' robots. They can catch a kid turning on a car radio, but they couldn't catch John Connor sneaking into the facility.
-The little black kid that hung out with Kyle Reese.
-The heart transplant at the end was terrible. I think they could have made a stronger coorelation between John trusting Marcus and John trusting Arnold in T2. Instead we get a 30 sec clip of them standing at a river full of snake robots who can jump into the air
-Pissed me off that in the fight between marcus and the T800, the T800 was using the concrete slab to crush marcus into a pole, just like T1000 did to Arnold. Instead of showing this awesomeness, they have it blurry in the background for only a split second while they have some bullshit going on in the foreground. Thanks a lot, PG13 rating.

You are aware, as said many times in this thread, that as a result of T1 and T2 leaving shit behind that is reverse engineered, the technology is sped up right? How much R and D do you need to do to build a Terminator if you already have the arm and the chip? 10 years less? Wouldn't surprise me. That's why you have the same shit in 2018 as you did in pre-time travel 2029.

I swear, people will bitch about anything.

The one thing I liked which I thought added a lot to this whole post apocalyptic thing is the presence of the A-10. I guess in the first 2 Terminators, the war is presented as a ground war, with the humans hiding underground to stay out of sight, but it does make sense that there is some heavy machinery left around to chew shit up with, and maybe it's just the aviation geek in me, but I love the A-10. Eat depleted uranium, you metal bitches!

[meStevo]

I think reading the prequel book helped me like this a lot more than I would have otherwise. Movie was just OK, due to the issues already brought up in the thread.

[Dumar]

i sincerely do believe that hollywood cannot make a good movie anymore. this was fucking putrid.

[Juvarisx]

Originally Posted by Dumar

i sincerely do believe that hollywood cannot make a good movie anymore. this was fucking putrid.

You should go see Star Trek I hear its pretty good

[Daerath]

Originally Posted by Dumar

i sincerely do believe that hollywood cannot make a good movie anymore. this was fucking putrid.

+10000000000000

I saw the movie tonight. Good action. Good FX. Shit plot. The ending was absurd.

Easily the worst of the four. I'd rather watch Baby Geniuses and Babe in a back-to-back marathon.

[ChewieTobbacca]

Originally Posted by Brad2770

Ok, I really liked it, but I get a hard on for the Terminator Universe, so i dont really think there could have been anything wrong.

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Marcus giving the heart to John, I think it has some meaning. More than just the second chance thing for Marcus.

Judgement Day took place in 2011? So John has had 7 years of fighting off these machines that look nothing like or act nothing like the ones he remembers as a kid (or what his mom told him about). Because of this, he has generated a hatred for them that overshadows the few days he spent with the 2 reprogrammed ones in the past.

Maybe this is a reminder that there is hope in the machines.

IIRC

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A big part of the war effort later for the Resistance is that they do capture Terminator robots and plants and reprogram them and use them against Skynet

Also, the more advanced models like the T-800 up have the ability to learn and some go rogue from Skynet, knowing that if it followed every Skynet order, it would ultimately be destroyed on the battlefield/dismantled when obsolete so they split from skynet in the interest of self-preservation

It's a nice little irony that the smarter the robots got, the less they cared about Skynet

[Wombat]

I thought the action set pieces (especially the outdoor scenes) were the best I've seen in years.

The storyline they cobbled together to make those set pieces connect, on the other hand, was extremely weak - though I would still rank it above Wolverine's.

And I have to reiterate that WB's PR department should be fucking shot. The first half of the movie is based on wondering what Marcus is (and I really liked some of the hints, like his Arnold-esque recovery from the shot to the face, and his bouncing on the river), and we knew the answer to that months ago. Just a shitty job there WB.

And Yelchin isn't getting enough credit. I know we were just wowed by Urban-as-Kelly, but Yelchin's proto-Biehn is nearly as good.

[Daerath]

Originally Posted by TheCutlery

You are aware, as said many times in this thread, that as a result of T1 and T2 leaving shit behind that is reverse engineered, the technology is sped up right? How much R and D do you need to do to build a Terminator if you already have the arm and the chip? 10 years less? Wouldn't surprise me. That's why you have the same shit in 2018 as you did in pre-time travel 2029.

I swear, people will bitch about anything.

Screwed by your own logic. The newspaper articles Marcus was reading showed that the bald cancer patient doctor created him before she died. This would have to be sometime between 2003 and 2005. Cyberdyne was then purchased by the USAF which means the USAF would have had access to her research on Marcus. When Skynet showed up, it would have access to the research on Marcus. Why then was Marcus partically as advanced, if not moreso in some ways, than any Terminator robot that was built up to that point?

10 years later in the timeframe of the movie, Marcus should have been an 8086 compared to quad core pentiums. Even the human resistance should have known about his model because it would be the first one Skynet would have made.

By your own logic, Skynet should have been decades more advanced because it would have started with Marcus as Terminator v1.0. Instead Skynet was barely at Marcus's level after a decade of R&D.

The movie was so fucked up to not make any sense.

If that's the kind of script that Bale demanded or else he wouldn't sign on then I've lost about all of my respect for him as an actor. I'm done with him professionally.

[Jimmy Carter wuwu]

I like how they blended Terminators 2 ending in the movie. The hot and cold on Arnold.

[Arbitrary]

McG reveals alternate Terminator Salvation ending | Filmonic

Let's just pretend they kept the original ending.

[Malakriss]

Originally Posted by Arbitrary

McG reveals alternate Terminator Salvation ending | Filmonic

Let's just pretend they kept the original ending.

Amazing how the changing the last 3 minutes alone can prevent a truly epic fail and the end of a franchise.

[Disp]

Did they just give up completely for the ending? After seeing the actual ending and then the alternate ending I'm blown away by the shittyness.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

McG wouldn't have lasted a week if that had been the actual ending...

[Arbitrary]

Which is a shame because it is fucking amazing.

For the future not being written and all that they sure are trying to make damn sure that John Conner is still the chosen one who leads humanity to ultimate victory. The alternate ending is such a wonderful "fuck you." Alright humanity, let's see what you've got now.

Like I said, let's all just pretend that was the actual ending.

[meStevo]

Originally Posted by Daerath

Screwed by your own logic. The newspaper articles Marcus was reading showed that the bald cancer patient doctor created him before she died. This would have to be sometime between 2003 and 2005. Cyberdyne was then purchased by the USAF which means the USAF would have had access to her research on Marcus. When Skynet showed up, it would have access to the research on Marcus. Why then was Marcus partically as advanced, if not moreso in some ways, than any Terminator robot that was built up to that point?

10 years later in the timeframe of the movie, Marcus should have been an 8086 compared to quad core pentiums. Even the human resistance should have known about his model because it would be the first one Skynet would have made.

By your own logic, Skynet should have been decades more advanced because it would have started with Marcus as Terminator v1.0. Instead Skynet was barely at Marcus's level after a decade of R&D.

The movie was so fucked up to not make any sense.

If that's the kind of script that Bale demanded or else he wouldn't sign on then I've lost about all of my respect for him as an actor. I'm done with him professionally.

I think a good chunk of the next 2 movies are going take place between now and the movie we saw this weekend, which will show why things didn't go quickly or smoothly for the ramping up of Skynet's Terminator program... starting with the next installment being based in 2011.