Terminator 4: Abandon all Hope

[The Ancient]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

I thought they explained in the first one that the skin was only to hide the machinery and release pheremones to trick the guard dogs. Once they are past that point it doesn't matter because in close combat they are virtually unstoppable.

Which was an upgrade from rubber, which was used to trick humans into thinking it was another human, but was defeated by guard dogs. But the point is to look like a human.

[TheCutlery]

Originally Posted by Millie

LOL. I remember reading somewhere that there are several different skin variations, but yeah, you'd think they would retire the Arnold skin after awhile. Not to mention the accent.

In T1 during one of Reese's flashbacks, the terminator that infiltrates the bunker is a different skin, but yeah, you'd think they'd do more than that. I guess they kinda have to now that Arnold is 20 years older and doesn't exactly look the part anymore.

[Rythonn]

I am excited to see it, I think we can all say we love the story and any progression of it would be nice. T3 was pretty good IMO, I loved the chase scene with the crane. Is there a chance it will be as good as T2, no way in hell but then I can count on my hand the number of actions movies better then T2, as in not many. There was just scene after scene of good action.

[Twobit Whore]

Hopefully they manage to work in the actual human that influenced the Arnold design. Of course the guvunuh couldn't do it but I guess they could CGI him in.. even as a quick cameo.

[Millie]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

Hopefully they manage to work in the actual human that influenced the Arnold design. Of course the guvunuh couldn't do it but I guess they could CGI him in.. even as a quick cameo.

Apparently there's a deleted scene from T3 in the special edition DVD that explains the Arnold model. It actually sounds kind of funny, from reading the description on Wikipedia.

Evidently, the government/Skynet/whatever volunteered a soldier who looks like Arnold to be the model for the new terminator series, but his voice is very Southern and cheesy. So they're all "We have to do something about his voice," and then a scientist with Arnold's voice says "We can fix it." Or something like that.

[The Ancient]

Originally Posted by Millie

Apparently there's a deleted scene from T3 in the special edition DVD that explains the Arnold model. It actually sounds kind of funny, from reading the description on Wikipedia.

Evidently, the government/Skynet/whatever volunteered a soldier who looks like Arnold to be the model for the new terminator series, but his voice is very Southern and cheesy. So they're all "We have to do something about his voice," and then a scientist with Arnold's voice says "We can fix it." Or something like that.

More T3 nonsense. So the government now are the ones who designed the Terminator series of robot designed to infiltrate resistance groups? They really should have thought it out and made the whole film a deleted scene.

[Astrocreep]

wasnt there a scaled model of the chip that dyson busted up? in fact it was the piece he was holding to drop on the detonator when he died. also in movieland the computer and the monitor are usually the same thing. people who arent computer literate think the pc is right behind those screens which is why the compaq was born. so for purposes the computer was destroyed at dyson's house by Sarah's sniper rifle. The robot arm is nothing without the chip, maybe you could reverse engineer some new metallic alloys like nano tech but it wouldnt destroy the future.

Transparent aluminum is real btw , before anyone brings up ST4.

[Millie]

Originally Posted by The Ancient

More T3 nonsense. So the government now are the ones who designed the Terminator series of robot designed to infiltrate resistance groups? They really should have thought it out and made the whole film a deleted scene.

I'm not sure if it was the government, Skynet, or whatever. I'm just recalling from distant memory having read about that scene. I've never seen it.

[Millie]

Originally Posted by Astrocreep

Transparent aluminum is real btw , before anyone brings up ST4.

The T-1000 is also technically possible in the future, interestingly enough. Though it would probably have to be a nanomachine colony and not a "robot" in the traditional sense of the word.

[Jenison]

There are theories about time travel and how one could 'interact' with the past...and so far Terminator has held it pretty good. No matter what happens, you cant alter the future, you can only participate in the past.

The reason the machines are created despite in T2 the 'destroying' of the chips / evidence is because its already happened. Otherwise the machines would never exist and the terminators would never travel back in time and causing their own destruction.

I've read someone quoting the terminator series as the most accurate in terms of hollywood stories that deal with time travel. Because no matter what they do, Skynet will take over and lead to the war.

[Kreugen]

I thought the story of T3 was fine, but the movie was weak. Female terminator was lame, other than the booby joke.

My idea of cool terminator was one that would discard its skin once its served its purpose by bursting out of it hulk-style and forming an array of attached weaponry. Like the T-X but without the liquid metal. How could would it be to see some hulking dudes skin burst apart to reveal an arsenal of machine guns?

I loved Terminator as a kid. Hell I even wrote fan fiction of a sort when I was 8 or so - on a typewriter. Pre-C64.

You Could Be Mine - best music video ever? Oh yes.

[Regime]

Originally Posted by Arakkis

I am interested to know why people didn't like T3. I thought they pulled off the end of the world pretty convincingly. There was a little too much cornyness from Arnold for my tastes, but barring that I thought it was solid.

Because there was no fucking need to have a T3. It was fucking gay like this next installment will be.

Predator Aliens and now my Terminators fucking raped

All my Darkhorse memories going down the drain, now they will torture us with another PG-13 Robocop film.

Originally Posted by Kreugen

You Could Be Mine - best music video ever? Oh yes.

Hands down.


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[Faith]

Originally Posted by Millie

However, it's ambiguous whether a "virtual chip" still existed within Cyberdyne's files -- either at Dyson's house, or possibly at anyone else's house who may have been working on the project. Presumably Dyson wasn't the only person at the entire company with access to those files. He was the one who finally "cracked the code" and "invented" the chip based on the existing chip, but I'm sure others on the project could have followed his work after his death.

All technical data would be stored secure, as in a basement bunker for example. Backup copies at the homes of other developers are also virtualy guaranteed. They did blow up the office and the vault with the tech itself but no way in hell both the data and the samples were in the same place. Furthermore they were a contractor/supplyer to the military which explains why in T3 the military have the tech. You honestly think they would let their most advanced tech stay with cyberdyne after a terrorist attack? oh yeah right. They would not move it to a military base because someone was after it. What importance would a chip lightyears ahead of what they have hold?

Anyhow, I didnt like T3 much except the ending where they finaly reached doomsday. As long as T4 is totaly placed in the future, the battlefield is crawling with T800 models, skinless (the main trouble with the flesh cover was the time it took to grow, I cant remember where I read it but in the end of the war the obsolete T800 model was basicaly rolled off assembly lines directly into frontline duty as infantry since there was no time to waste with flesh cover because the war has reached a point where brute force was the last resort for Skynet) and tons of HKs fly around and explode, Im perfectly happy.

Honestly, fuck Arnold. For me he has zero impact on the "feel" of the movies, its the wacky story that drives it. If they can afford twice the number of battles between Skynet and the humans thanks to skipping his paycheck, fantastic!

[The Ancient]

Originally Posted by Faith

Honestly, fuck Arnold. For me he has zero impact on the "feel" of the movies, its the wacky story that drives it. If they can afford twice the number of battles between Skynet and the humans thanks to skipping his paycheck, fantastic!

He might be superflous now, but Arnold made those first 2 films. That scene where he computes from a list of terms to come up with "Fuck You Ahshole." Priceless. The man was the perfect machine.

[Faith]

Originally Posted by The Ancient

He might be superflous now, but Arnold made those first 2 films. That scene where he computes from a list of terms to come up with "Fuck You Ahshole." Priceless. The man was the perfect machine.

Oh ofc, he made the first one due to the enormous anabola bulk he dragged around and the accent. The second, not so much imho. He was there to assure continuity and appeal to the masses (he was a huge crowd magnet around T2).