Terminator 4: Abandon all Hope

[Kaio]

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In T2 they fell in a pool of molten metal which is gonna be hotter then molten metal falling through the air and neither terminator died immediately. The T-1000 was struggling for a while but couldn't escape the pool and Arnold's T-800 at least lasted long enough to tell it's hand to make a thumbs up after the majority of the body was submerged slowly into the metal.

I like to think of it like a soldering gun... you're playing around with some molten metal substance but it's not really damaging anything else like copper wiring that you might make it touch. The metal used on the T-800 like Arnold could be that much more heat resistant then the molten metal that fell on it.

This is one movie I am definitely excited to see the extended edition off, it felt rushed overall (still thorougly entertaining).

[ChewieTobbacca]

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yeah taht's true, but the fact that it was instally cooled down should have hardened the molten metal enough to it would turn it into a slab far harder to get out of

again, that's just nitpicking for an ending that could've been a little bit better as pointed out - if Marcus had simply killed the T800 but died and said something about saving Connor as his second chance, and Connor then ascends to lead the resistance, the ending wouldn't have been nearly so cheesy

Definitely waiting to see what the extended scenes are like

[SalaciousTunare]

You guys are forgetting one huge thing...

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How in the fuck does skynet even know that Kyle Reese is John Connor's father in the first place? Keep in mind that skynet's mission of sorts was to kill Kyle Reese first, then John Connor second. Skynet captures Kyle Reese, shoves him in the cattle line inside skynet headquarters and a terminator-sentinel then identifies him as Kyle Reese with a nice graphical overlay on screen and what does skynet do? They put him in a cozy cell till John Connor shows up, ridiculous. If the mission was to kill him, what the fuck were they waiting for? How does Skynet possibly know John Connor's father in any timeline anyways? The terminator goes back in time to kill Sarah. Kyle follows in response (so the terminator is clueless who is coming) and both Kyle and all known terminators die in the past anyways, leaving no real hard evidence or survivors to tell the story to skynet. Maybe... and I'm stretching here, the police records and footage from the night Kyle and Sarah were questioned when Arnold had the shootout at the police department in 1984 somehow survived and could explain the visual I.D. of the future sentinel? I know Marcus was acting as an unwitting mole of sorts, and Kyle Reese did tell him his name early in the movie, but the question remains how in the fuck Skynet knew he was the father in the first place.

[TheCutlery]

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I tell ya what the biggest thing that concerns me is - Sam Worthington fucking stole this show. If Bale has to carry the next 2 movies himself, I fear for their quality, because he is quite simply not that good of an actor.

Killing off Marcus Wright may come back to bite them in the ass more than once

[Lefazz]

Holy carp. Harry didn't like this movie AT ALL.

[Criminiminal]

Kick every one else out and give me a fucking John Conner movie. How could you say Bale can't carry a movie, there is only 2 Batman's that matter and he is one of them.

[column]

Movie was awful.

[Brad2770]

Ok, I really liked it, but I get a hard on for the Terminator Universe, so i dont really think there could have been anything wrong.

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Marcus giving the heart to John, I think it has some meaning. More than just the second chance thing for Marcus.

Judgement Day took place in 2011? So John has had 7 years of fighting off these machines that look nothing like or act nothing like the ones he remembers as a kid (or what his mom told him about). Because of this, he has generated a hatred for them that overshadows the few days he spent with the 2 reprogrammed ones in the past.

Maybe this is a reminder that there is hope in the machines.

Also, with the T-800 going into production in 2018,

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but probably halted because the production plant was destroyed

that means Skynet was pretty desperate to send back an 'outdated' model in 2029 to kill Sarah in 1984.

[column]

Also whoever was overseeing the scene transitions on that film needs to be barred from film all together.

You would think scene transitions would be where most editors/directors can be extremely creative but O NO..these guys opted for a TV version of a fade to black to commercial break in one scene,or no transition whatsoever making the film seem like it was a disjointed mess.

[TheCutlery]

Originally Posted by Criminiminal

Kick every one else out and give me a fucking John Conner movie. How could you say Bale can't carry a movie, there is only 2 Batman's that matter and he is one of them.

Because in this movie, he was nothing but Batman vs a robot? I mean, what the fuck? Does he use that voice to order a burger and fries at McDonalds too? You don't need to use the death metal growl for every fictional character.

[Arakkis]

Originally Posted by SalaciousTunare

You guys are forgetting one huge thing...

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How in the fuck does skynet even know that Kyle Reese is John Connor's father in the first place? Keep in mind that skynet's mission of sorts was to kill Kyle Reese first, then John Connor second. Skynet captures Kyle Reese, shoves him in the cattle line inside skynet headquarters and a terminator-sentinel then identifies him as Kyle Reese with a nice graphical overlay on screen and what does skynet do? They put him in a cozy cell till John Connor shows up, ridiculous. If the mission was to kill him, what the fuck were they waiting for? How does Skynet possibly know John Connor's father in any timeline anyways? The terminator goes back in time to kill Sarah. Kyle follows in response (so the terminator is clueless who is coming) and both Kyle and all known terminators die in the past anyways, leaving no real hard evidence or survivors to tell the story to skynet. Maybe... and I'm stretching here, the police records and footage from the night Kyle and Sarah were questioned when Arnold had the shootout at the police department in 1984 somehow survived and could explain the visual I.D. of the future sentinel? I know Marcus was acting as an unwitting mole of sorts, and Kyle Reese did tell him his name early in the movie, but the question remains how in the fuck Skynet knew he was the father in the first place.

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In an episode of The Sarah Connor Chronicles, a terminator is sent back to buy a stockpile of a specific alloy. He then goes and has a fleet of trucks deliver it to a reinforced underground base. Once it is all delivered, he kills all the humans that help him, shuts the door of the base, and shuts himself down to await Judgment Day. Sarah and the rest of the crew spoil this plot realizing that they are disrupting some of Skynet's start-up logistics. It is plausible that there are many more of these stockpiles, and associated terminators around that have detailed knowledge of John, Sarah, and Kyle that they can pass on to Skynet.

My previous point is that although these terminators have info that John is a threat, it isn't until the very end where John is kicking Skynet's door in that it sends Arnold and the rest back to try and eliminate John. Hence why it wouldn't kill Reece outright.

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Also whoever was overseeing the scene transitions on that film needs to be barred from film all together.

You would think scene transitions would be where most editors/directors can be extremely creative but O NO..these guys opted for a TV version of a fade to black to commercial break in one scene,or no transition whatsoever making the film seem like it was a disjointed mess.

HAHA I know exactly what part you are talking about. I actually leaned over to my gf and whispered, "commercial break." This didn't phase me though. It wasn't George Lucas level of distracting transitions.

[Zeste]

Originally Posted by Arakkis

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In an episode of The Sarah Connor Chronicles, a terminator is sent back to buy a stockpile of a specific alloy. He then goes and has a fleet of trucks deliver it to a reinforced underground base. Once it is all delivered, he kills all the humans that help him, shuts the door of the base, and shuts himself down to await Judgment Day. Sarah and the rest of the crew spoil this plot realizing that they are disrupting some of Skynet's start-up logistics. It is plausible that there are many more of these stockpiles, and associated terminators around that have detailed knowledge of John, Sarah, and Kyle that they can pass on to Skynet.

My previous point is that although these terminators have info that John is a threat, it isn't until the very end where John is kicking Skynet's door in that it sends Arnold and the rest back to try and eliminate John. Hence why it wouldn't kill Reece outright.

HAHA I know exactly what part you are talking about. I actually leaned over to my gf and whispered, "commercial break." This didn't phase me though. It wasn't George Lucas level of distracting transitions.

Should have had a giant T-800 cartoon head wipe across the screen while the scene in the background very quickly zoomed in, and then zoomed just as fast back out and it's a new scene.

Bonus if as they did it, it said "MEANWHILE AT SERRANO POINT"

[Vardisk]

Originally Posted by SalaciousTunare

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How does Skynet possibly know John Connor's father in any timeline anyways? The terminator goes back in time to kill Sarah. Kyle follows in response (so the terminator is clueless who is coming) and both Kyle and all known terminators die in the past anyways, leaving no real hard evidence or survivors to tell the story to skynet.

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The T-X. Should be pretty obvious that it was in communication with Skynet when it went back in time. That whole scene with it doing the 56k Modem sounds to dial into the internet, it probably spent the entire movie with a subprocess uploading it's entire memory banks onto the internet, into some database for Skynet to have access to.

That's probably the main reason the terminator production lines are so accelerated in the current time line. Sure, the chip and arm from the first terminator sent back, gave the USAF and Cyberdyne knowledge to speed up Judgement Day and make that happen sooner. But the T-X's virus and the records it had of all of Skynet's 30 years of Research and Development from its own timeline, is giving the current Skynet a huge leg up. It knows who all the resistance leaders are and their backgrounds, it already has 30 years of R&D that it doesn't have to do and can put most of its resources into infrastructure build up, and even more importantly it allows it to start where the previous 30 y/o Skynet left off, and immediately start R&D on advanced cyborgs with hybrid nervous systems, human brains and circulatory systems.

This isn't the same timeline that was explained by Kyle Reese in T-1. Everyone going on about how this movie is boring purely because we know for a FACT all the main players live till 2029 when Skynet was destroyed and things were sent back in time, haven't been following the multiple points made in T-2 and T-3 about how various events were accelerated or pushed back. With all the extra information Skynet currently has, it could easily win the war this time. (Though probably won't, from a purely storytelling perspective. The humans have to win afterall.)

[Shogon]

I didn't realize the striking similarities between The Matrix series and the Terminator series until recently.

[Mr Element]

I'm a Terminator fanboi. I liked the movie as an action movie, but not so much as a Terminator movie. Heres my disappointments:

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-Apparently the terminators went on a diet and don't weigh as much as they use to. I could have sworn an alloy exoskeleton was pretty heavy thus couldn't be thrown around like a rag doll. (see T2 fight scenes between Arnie and T-1000)
-Extremely attractive women in masculine roles. Moon Bloodgood's character was COMPLETELY useless and out of place.
-Seeing rapper's names in opening credits.
-I didn't like that the terminators in 2018 seemed more advanced than the ones we see in 2029. The machines in 2029 were able to build human sized biped robots, large tank-like robots and some aircrafts that hovered slowly. The "big terminator" at the gas station should not have been a biped. Why make something that big walk on two feet? it's completely unnessesary.
-I hate robots that easily hover/defy gravity. This goes back to their technology being better than in 2029. The war against the machines is a lot more interesting if it's a ground war. Also, why change the look of the machines? The originals were badass.
-The cancer lady at the beginning would have been fine if she was just a recruiter for Skynet or something, but I hate how she wound up being the cliche bigbrother computer face thing.
-Movie plots are better when they DON'T have to be explained by a villian.
-Who was the villian again, anyway? Terminator movies (the good ones) are characteristically a cat and mouse game featuring a seemingly unstoppable force chasing after the hero. The movie features two story lines playing out in the same time frame. This movie was so linear and ended up going no where.
-Should have been R. Every person in the theatre when i saw it was 18+.
-It was confusing for people who haven't seen the other movies. (Terminator 2 was purposefully made so anyeone could understand it regardless if they saw 1)
-I pretty much hated all the 'scout' robots. They can catch a kid turning on a car radio, but they couldn't catch John Connor sneaking into the facility.
-The little black kid that hung out with Kyle Reese.
-The heart transplant at the end was terrible. I think they could have made a stronger coorelation between John trusting Marcus and John trusting Arnold in T2. Instead we get a 30 sec clip of them standing at a river full of snake robots who can jump into the air
-Pissed me off that in the fight between marcus and the T800, the T800 was using the concrete slab to crush marcus into a pole, just like T1000 did to Arnold. Instead of showing this awesomeness, they have it blurry in the background for only a split second while they have some bullshit going on in the foreground. Thanks a lot, PG13 rating.