Ben Stein Expelled

[Grumath]

Originally Posted by PerritoBites

ID is creationism without having religion on its name, but it is basically the same thing. Although you could believe we were designed by aliens... would that still be a religion?

Scientology?

[The Ancient]

Originally Posted by Millie

ID is just creationism with a clever name attached. Same kool-aid, different bottle.

Intelligent design - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's the same in some but not all cases. Your example is in fact a good one, a creationist would say something stupid like bones test our faith. An ID propenent could accept that dinosaurs did exist many years ago and even that the roots of humanity could be traced back to chimpanzees. They just believe that the path was structured by a hidden being. I don't think it's fair to outright attack that belief as long as it's recognized as a belief and not a science.

The problem is of course all the former creationists who latched onto ID in order to finally put an end to that evolution nonsense. I don't understand why intelligent members of either camp consider the two mutually exclusive.

[Asmadai]

I think most people just have a horribly one sided-opinion on the beliefs of people who support creationism.

I mean, fuck - I believe in God, but just because dinosaurs have been proven to exist, and they weren't mentioned in the Bible...doesn't mean I call the Bible bullshit.

It seems the only people who try to take the Bible literally are total zealots, and those trying to disprove it. Most of us 'get it' the way it was intended to be 'got', and proving that it took longer than 7 days to make the planet is not really gonna shake our faith one bit.

And if you really think "God did it" is the answer creationists use to explain every unexplainable act known to man, damn - you really are one-sided.

[PerritoBites]

How old your religion says the earth is?
Add dinasaurs to that thought
?????
Cry

[Asmadai]

Originally Posted by PerritoBites

How old your religion says the earth is?
Add dinasaurs to that thought
?????
Cry

Funny thing, the Bible doesn't list a starting date. Nor does it list the date in which the planet was created. So the proof of the Earth being millions of years old changes nothing.

I mean, sure there are those literal morons (like yourself i'm assuming) who read "God made the Earth in 7 days" and literally think we believe it only took 7 days, but contrary to popular belief most of us don't think that.

[Indiana]

Originally Posted by Asmadai

I think most people just have a horribly one sided-opinion on the beliefs of people who support creationism.

I mean, fuck - I believe in God, but just because dinosaurs have been proven to exist, and they weren't mentioned in the Bible...doesn't mean I call the Bible bullshit.

It seems the only people who try to take the Bible literally are total zealots, and those trying to disprove it. Most of us 'get it' the way it was intended to be 'got', and proving that it took longer than 7 days to make the planet is not really gonna shake our faith one bit.

Okay, exactly what criteria determines which part of the Bible is an allegory and which parts are fact as they really happened?

[Grumath]

When I pick up any book and read it and the first chapter is wrong or retarded, I put the book down and call it a pile of crap. Why is the Bible immune to that for people? 5% of it being positive, applicable, or redeeming still makes it 95% wrong and BS. Throw that shit away, and maybe write a NEW book with that 5% good stuff and some more modern thinking. How about that for a novel concept?

[tad10]

Originally Posted by PerritoBites

Religion is baaaaaaaad, we won't advance until we get rid of it! Churches shouldn't be exempt from paying taxes, they should pay DOUBLE the taxes because they are as harmful to this society as cigarettes and alcohol. You don't see schools teaching kids how to drive drunk and get cancer do you?

The only people who believe shit like this are devout atheists such as yourself. Religion is bad? Religious nuts even worse?

Guess what kid you're a religious nut yourself. You are as fanatical and reason as poorly as the people you attack.

Good luck with that.

[tad10]

Originally Posted by Grumath

When I pick up any book and read it and the first chapter is wrong or retarded, I put the book down and call it a pile of crap. Why is the Bible immune to that for people? 5% of it being positive, applicable, or redeeming still makes it 95% wrong and BS. Throw that shit away, and maybe write a NEW book with that 5% good stuff and some more modern thinking. How about that for a novel concept?

Because the Bible derives from an oral tradition thousands of years older than the Harry Potter book you just read.

Do you fuckheads actually think about the questions you pose? Or maybe you're just happy sounding like a bunch of morons?

[lendarios]

Originally Posted by tad10

Or maybe you're just happy sounding like a bunch of morons?

So says the religious zealot ..

[PerritoBites]

Originally Posted by tad10

The only people who believe shit like this are devout atheists such as yourself. Religion is bad? Religious nuts even worse?

Guess what kid you're a religious nut yourself. You are as fanatical and reason as poorly as the people you attack.

Good luck with that.

Damn, I didn't think anyone was going to bite on that lol.

By the way, you can't be a religious nut without a religion. And that exaggeration wasn't attacking the "people", just the institution.

[Asmadai]

Originally Posted by PerritoBites

Damn, I didn't think anyone was going to bite on that lol.

By the way, you can't be a religious nut without a religion. And that exaggeration wasn't attacking the "people", just the institution.

But you can always be an anti-religious nut, which this thread is so obviously filled with.

Seriously, if it's such obvious, factless, irrational, baseless bullshit why does ~50% of the planet believe it? Let me guess, they are all 'brainwashed masses' among you 'enlightened'?

Excuse me while I die from laughter.

[Grumath]

Originally Posted by tad10

Because the Bible derives from an oral tradition thousands of years older than the Harry Potter book you just read.

Do you fuckheads actually think about the questions you pose? Or maybe you're just happy sounding like a bunch of morons?

Age doesn't make something immune to being incorrect, outdated, irrelevant, or immoral, or a target for criticism. Sorry. If that was the case, we would still be primatives not having this conversation. Bad argument.

Greek and Roman mythology fits your statement as well. Yet we know and accept it as mostly wrong and read it as fiction and not something to base our lives around. It is entertainment at best. Which is what the Bible should be since it is incorrect, outdated, irrelevant, and immoral for the most part.

[Grumath]

Originally Posted by Asmadai

But you can always be an anti-religious nut, which this thread is so obviously filled with.

Seriously, if it's such obvious, factless, irrational, baseless bullshit why does ~50% of the planet believe it? Let me guess, they are all 'brainwashed masses' among you 'enlightened'?

Excuse me while I die from laughter.

Takes a special kind of tool to make that argument, or one not versed in history. 50% of the planet believed that very planet was flat at one point, 50% believed the sun orbited the earth, 50% believed at another point that the sun was Apollo's chariot, 50% believed disease was caused by morality and actions rather than germs, 50% believed eating brains of your enemies gave you their knowledge. Need I go on? What a rediculous position to take...

[PerritoBites]

Originally Posted by Asmadai

But you can always be an anti-religious nut, which this thread is so obviously filled with.

Seriously, if it's such obvious, factless, irrational, baseless bullshit why does ~50% of the planet believe it? Let me guess, they are all 'brainwashed masses' among you 'enlightened'?

Excuse me while I die from laughter.

Yeah I bet you still believe the earth is flat then... because everyone believed that not so long ago

Most kids believe in Santa Claus, do you believe he will bring you presents this X-mas?

Lol you say "why does 50% believe it?"... do you even mean to type that out? I don't think that helps your argument.

Edit: Damn someone beat me to it