Ben Stein Expelled

[Millie]

Originally Posted by Rythonn

You got all that out of that trailer?

No, I got all that because that's what all the "intelligent design" crap is. I certainly got out of the trailer that he is advocating ID.

Also:

Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Perhaps we can lay to rest the whole "You've only seen the trailer; you don't know what this film is about!" critiques?

[GrobbeeTrull2.0]

Not all facets of Intelligent Design say that it's the God of Abraham that made everything. Perhaps he's positing another flavor? Or perhaps he's simply talking about how people have treated him for believing something different than Evolution as God?

[Geaux]

[Astrocreep]

lol thats a vague trailer. How you can get an solid notion of what ben stein is up to from that is amazing. did ben stein even open his mouth once?

[Millie]

Originally Posted by GrobbeeTrull2.0

Not all facets of Intelligent Design say that it's the God of Abraham that made everything.

I don't care if it's the Abrahamic God, the Hindu gods, or freaking Quetzalcoatl. It's just silly creation myths that are fine, and have their place, and certainly comfort people. But there is no basis for fact behind any of that stuff, and we shouldn't taint our education system or our methods of rational inquiry and scientific progress with such lines of thought.

I'm not saying that religion has no place in the world. In fact, I'd say that religion has accomplished far more good than bad in the course of human history. It's debatable that humanity ever would have settled down and civilized had it not been for spirituality and organized religion. At the same time, religion has no place in science. Science is inquiry into the observable and the real; religion is inquiry into the unseen and the spiritual. Those two fields of thought can exist side by side, but we shouldn't start allowing one side to dictate the affairs of the other.

[Millie]

Originally Posted by Astrocreep

lol thats a vague trailer. How you can get an solid notion of what ben stein is up to from that is amazing. did ben stein even open his mouth once?

Hi2u Google, Wikipedia, etc? Did you not see the link I posted a second ago? And even from the trailer alone, you can tell he's making a documentary advocating the ID position. It's not very hard to discern.

If I showed you a ten-second trailer for a Michael Moore doc that didn't show Michael Moore opening his mouth the whole time, you'd probably be able to tell what Michael Moore was up to, no? Same thing here. The agenda is pretty obvious. Furthermore, as I've stated, research into the film has bourne out my guess to be correct.

[Jait]

I don't plan on watching the vid, but it's not the first time he's proven himself to be a douchebag.

He sent his "unmanagable" young teenage son to a full-time boarding school 2500 miles away, why? Because he was playing too much Everquest. No other reason. True story. Then he spent the next 6 months bitching about MMO's to the press because it's easier than raising a kid.

[Jait]

Originally Posted by Millie

Hi2u Google

Indeed. Glad I looked it up, it's been 5 years.



Ben Stein is a douchebag

[Astrocreep]

shit, he did that to his son? thats fucked up. This movie should be about video game addiction. would be like a new reefer madness.

[lendarios]

Originally Posted by Millie

It's debatable that humanity ever would have settled down and civilized had it not been for spirituality and organized religion.

How is that debatable one side or the other? There are no evidence that can be sited to show a direct causation from religion to organized societies, nor there is any that points the other way.

[Millie]

Originally Posted by lendarios

How is that debatable one side or the other? There are no evidence that can be sited to show a direct causation from religion to organized societies, nor there is any that points the other way.

Early fossil records indicate that ritualized burial was one of humanity's first steps toward separating itself from the animals. Before we harnessed fire, before we invented the wheel, before we fashioned the first spear, we were burying and revering our dead in a ritualistic fashion. We were also carving wooden or stone idols to bury with or among the dead.

Furthermore, the earliest cave paintings were not, as typically suspected, just hunting motifs. They were primitive spiritual depictions of the world. Again, from fossil records and excavations, we've seen that the earliest human settlements were centered around proto-houses of worship. Not the "churches" we think of today, but more like shamanic circles or priest's chambers.

The reason I say it's "debatable" if we'd have ever settled down without spirituality is because we don't know. We did settle down as spiritual people, and we have plenty of evidence to prove that. But since we'll never know if we could have settled down without spirituality, the matter is "debatable."

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by Geaux

WHAT THE FUCK MAN? THAT VIDEO IS BULLSHIT! Zinke and others here have travelled from the future and seen the movie and it is OBVIOUSLY ABOUT INTELLIGENT DESIGN and not some disagreement about academic exclusion.

[The Ancient]

There should be a more solid middle ground here. I don't think intelligent design should be taught in schools because it's religion, but I also don't think schools should teach Darwinian evolution because it's really bad science.

[Millie]

Originally Posted by The Ancient

There should be a more solid middle ground here. I don't think intelligent design should be taught in schools because it's religion, but I also don't think schools should teach Darwinian evolution because it's really bad science.

Then what do you propose? What is your theory of the origin of the species?

[Astrocreep]

theories shouldnt be taught as fact is what Ancient is saying.