Film Industry = Government Subsidy?

[Zerai]

Originally Posted by fucker

like....all?

windtalkers, black hawk down, private ryan. these 3 are on top of my head now but there are more

maybe they dont glamorize war itself, but they sure like to show every single marine as a superhero, and make the enemy look like nonhuman. As someone else said, there is no adv message, but the propaganda is there

So yeah, one hero and everyone else fucking dies. Sounds fucking awesome, where do I sign up for the military.

I watch movies like that and they are pretty awesome, but the last fucking thing I want to do is actually go there. Did you see the guy from the hummer that got RPG'd? He was fucking blown in half dude. Now I don't know about you, but frankly, I don't want to be blown in half. Yeah, it shows the military as great stand up guys, helping him out, and doing shit, but there was still a guy blown in half.

Saving Private Ryan, wow, bunch of awesome marines. Too bad they all fucking died. You too can be a hero, I hope you like bullets.

Holy shit, in Rainbow Six: Vegas, you stop the terrorists and win, shows you as the greatest motherfucker on the planet. Now how many save points did you go through.

People that get brainwashed by something like Blackhawk Down are fucking stupid. Period. Look at the title for christ sakes. It's not Blackhawk Flying for Freedom, no, it's Blackhawk Down. And living through helicopter crashes is not really common. Especially when it was shot down with a fucking rocket.

Overall, who gives a shit. I approve the American Military loans out its stuff, makes movies look better cause you now have real tanks in it and real aircraft carriers. They get some positive spin sure, but if you got your portrayal of the real american military from a movie, well, you were already stupid to begin with, and are probably brainwashed from CNN anyway, so whats the big deal?

[Burf]

Most in Hollywood are liberals and advocate peace, yet they continue to make movies about war in order to make a buck.....coincidence? err..wait.....

[Cybsled]

Saving Private Ryan, wow, bunch of awesome marines.

I don't think many WW2 Marines would take kindly to you confusing them with Army.

[Wildstone]

Did someone seriously just fucking claim that Saving Private Ryan glamorized War? Holy shit, are we talking about the same movie? The one where every single member of the original squad dies? Holy shit.

[Tolanin]

Most of the movies don't even portray the enemy as inhuman monsters anymore. Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers both had german army characters that were portrayed as normal people fighting the war from the other side... most of the time when the people come off as inhuman its cause thats how they were acting at the time in real life... you arent gonna tell me they did injustice to the roaming gangs in black hawk down by making them seem crazy.

We are a far cry from posters of german army soldiers bayonetting babies. And most of what comes off as propaganda is just simple supply/demand on our part.

[Arbitrary]

Entertainment is the first step towards recruitment. Even a movie like Saving Private Ryan glamorizes war.

It is heroic, manly, impressive and loaded with noble sacrifices and ass kickery.

[Lithose]

Originally Posted by fucker

like....all?

windtalkers, black hawk down, private ryan. these 3 are on top of my head now but there are more

maybe they dont glamorize war itself, but they sure like to show every single marine as a superhero, and make the enemy look like nonhuman. As someone else said, there is no adv message, but the propaganda is there

Black Hawk Down-

You must have watched a different version, because the one I saw was depressing as hell. The rangers in it may have looked "super human", but don't forget, the odds shown were aproximate to the battle. Those hundred or so guys really did fight it out against ovwhelming numbers, and to be frank, a lot of heroism was displayed.

Are you advocating they "tone it down" because when people sacrifice themselves its too cliche? (The two soldiers who went in to gaurd the one hawk were both given medals of honor.)

The movie also made sure to show the carnage and futility of war. The scene with the old man carrying the dead boy, where the child shot his father, where the woman was huddeling with her children. It also showed the deaths of American soldiers, how brutal it is to die far from home, and the kicker is, in the end, the monologue even says they didn't change shit.

Heroism comes with war movies, people on both sides do "heroic" shit during war, by "heroic" I mean stuff rational people wouldn't do. That's because war isn't rational.

Saving Private Ryan-

Everyone dies and they aren't pretty or heroic deaths. There isn't some grand parade at the end where they "honor the heroes woot!". They each died in fairly menial and sad ways, except for Tom Hanks.

If you couple that with the movie displaying exceptional cowardice by a man in uniform (Who wouldn't help his freind) and American soldiers showing calous/hatred for captured enemies, then you can hardly say it was "glamorizing" war. In fact, I would go so far as to say that between the poor fucks crying for mommy, the gruesome injuries and the deaths of all the main characters, it showed a pretty good depiction that war fucking sucks.

Windtalkers-This movie sucked.

[Lithose]

Originally Posted by Arbitrary

Entertainment is the first step towards recruitment. Even a movie like Saving Private Ryan glamorizes war.

It is heroic, manly, impressive and loaded with noble sacrifices and ass kickery.

That's the thing, their deaths weren't laden with nobility, except perhaps for Tom Hanks. You can say their cause was noble, but the "cause" behind WW2 was pretty noble.

Most of the deaths didn't make me feel proud, they made me feel bad for the guys. Tom Hanks probably had the most "Heroic" death, dying directly defending a lost/hopeless cause. The others though, especially before the "final" battle, all had death scenes riddled with futility. (dying taking one machine gun, dying cold and alone in the rain, calling for help, ect ect.)

[Gahid]

Originally Posted by tad10

The Pentagon spending $ for a movie is no different then the Pentagon spending $ for an ad.

I don't see the problem. Though Sum wasn't a very good movie as I recall.

The long article in the OP is poorly written and extremely biased (e.g. this whopper "But it is less clear what taxpayers reap from the relationship")

Funny, I observe how poorly written and extremely biased it is in favor of Hollywood. Notice how the reporter had enough information to find exact costs (ie. distance from US air base to Morocco), but chose not to.

I would go so far as to say the article whitewashes the issue.

[Suineg]

Originally Posted by Gahid

Funny, I observe how poorly written and extremely biased it is in favor of Hollywood. Notice how the reporter had enough information to find exact costs (ie. distance from US air base to Morocco), but chose not to.

I would go so far as to say the article whitewashes the issue.

You are also a big conspiracy theorist from your other posts.

"Whitewash the issue" wow just wow..... there is no issue.

[tad10]

Originally Posted by Burf

Most in Hollywood are liberals and advocate peace, yet they continue to make movies about war in order to make a buck.....coincidence? err..wait.....

The vast majority of war movies since Vietnam have been anti-war.

[manslayer]

Tinfoil hat time!

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by tad10

The vast majority of war movies since Vietnam have been anti-war.

Except for Dragon Wars which is was pro war.

[Awanka]

People, when it comes down to it, are sheep. Look at Friends and Seinfeld; a case of mass hysteria over nothing if I've ever seen one. The military is very smart to go to great lengths to conscript Hollywood into their propaganda machine. Kane said it best, "He who controls the media controls the minds of the people."

[Burf]

Originally Posted by tad10

The vast majority of war movies since Vietnam have been anti-war.

I never said anything about pro or anti-war. I just said war.

It's just funny to me how so many in Hollywood hate war and hate the military (yeah, yeah, we support the troops, etc), but they will put on a uniform and make a $$ off of it.