9/11 Ripple Effect

[Vatoreus]

Lusitania.

[xilsharn]

Real quick, I recognize this thread is basically over, but here is the BBC refuting/revising its own article that spawned the original "America lied about the hijackers!" conspiracy theory.

BBC NEWS | The Editors
BBC News | AMERICAS | The investigation and the evidence

Lusitania.

What?

[Dashal]

Originally Posted by Eduardo

edit: It is mostly a rehash, but as with many of the documentaries out there, it does serve as a reminder.

A reminder that 1/4 of the population is retarded enough to buy this stuff

Mystery of the Urinal Deuce - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[OneofOne]

Originally Posted by Genjiro

... or a graaaaaaaaaaaand govt coverup, which would include thousands of people and have the leaders of our country mass killing its own citizens.

It's beyond ridiculous to even give those people the time of day, and insulting to the people who did lose their lives. Get fucking real.

Here's your sign.

Yes because *never*, even in modern history, has this happened. Read a book instead of burning them?

[Genjiro]

Originally Posted by OneofOne

Yes because *never*, even in modern history, has this happened. Read a book instead of burning them?

Oh please, enlighten us to a similar plot in recent history that is on the same scale that this government coverup would be on 9/11. Or, you could just keep insinuating without providing any kind of factual evidence and pull things out of your ass (like conspiracy theorists do!).

For fuck sake, our presidency even when it tried to coverup simple video tapes about a certain break-in (Watergate ring a bell?) couldn't even pull that off. Do you really think they could cover up something this big? You people are a fucking riot.

[OneofOne]

The Lusitania was a British passenger ship sunk during WWI and helped precipitate American involvment in the war. It was carrying war supplies, though that was denied by the British and didn't come to light for years. (Hey good thing governments don't lie to their citizens!)

There has been some controversy about whether the Brits and Americans erm helped in several ways insure her attack and sinking, so as to enrage America and draw her into the war (and it did indeed help swing public opinion for us getting involved).

Can't say as this is true or not, but some *highly* suspicious stuff occurred that makes one wonder. Go read a few dozen history books and you'll see quite a bit of this shady stuff going on around various wars and revolutions. History is taught so we can learn from it, but half you guys are too busy smoking joints under the bleachers...

As for you Genjiro, ever hear about concentration camps? May surprise you to know those *weren't* common knowledge in Germany and were denied worldwide. Historical revisionists are finally teaching that, wow! America and other governments did actually know about them, even though, by golly, they denied it for decades.

And not that this is nefarious in any way, but you do realize *thousands* of people were involved in the Manhatten Project, and that was kept tight until the day the bombs exploded. They hid entire fucking towns from state governments for christ sake. Just because the government (like anyone else) trips on its dick once in a bit doesn't mean it can't get things right sometimes too.

[cdyhybrid]

Clearly Starscream shot the planes down and the government is trying to cover it up while keeping Megatron frozen underneath the Hoover Dam.

[Kasonic]

Originally Posted by Vatoreus

First problem I have is 9 of the hijackers are alive and well, although, one of those 9 people's passports somehow managed to eject from the airplane that crashed into one of the Towers unscathed to get the guys name to put on a list.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

The BBC News reported on September 23, 2001, that some of the people named by the FBI as hijackers, killed on the crashes, were actually alive and well.[181]

One of the hijackers was Waleed al-Shehri, and according to the BBC report he was found in Casablanca, Morocco.

* However, al-Shehri's father says he hadn't heard from his sons in ten months prior to September 2001.[182] An ABC News story in March 2002 repeated this, and during a report entitled "A Saudi Apology" for Dateline NBC on August 25, 2002, NBC's reporter John Hockenberry traveled to 'Asir, where he interviewed the third brother Salah who agreed that his two brothers were dead and said they had been "brainwashed".
* Furthermore, another article explains that the pilot who lives in Casablanca was named Walid al-Shri (not Waleed M. al-Shehri) and that much of the BBC information regarding "alive" hijackers was incorrect according to the same sources used by BBC.[183]

According to the BBC report, Abdulaziz Al Omari, Saeed Alghamdi, and Khalid al-Midhar, three other hijackers, were also living in the Middle East.

* A man with the same name as Abdulaziz Al Omari turned up alive in Saudi Arabia, saying that he had studied at the University of Denver and his passport was stolen there in 1995. The name, origin, birth date, and occupation were released by the FBI, but the picture was not of him. "I couldn't believe it when the FBI put me on their list", he said. "They gave my name and my date of birth, but I am not a suicide bomber. I am here. I am alive. I have no idea how to fly a plane. I had nothing to do with this."[184][185][186] This individual was not the same person as the hijacker whose identity was later confirmed by Saudi government interviews with his family, according to the 9/11 Commission Report.
* On 23 September, 2001, the BBC and The Telegraph[187] reported that a person named Saeed al-Ghamdi was alive and well. His name, birth date, origin, and occupation were the same as those released by the FBI, but his picture was different. He says that he studied flight training in Florida flight schools from 1998 to 2001. The journalist involved with the story later admitted "No, we did not have any videotape or photographs of the individuals in question at that time."[188]
* After the attacks, reports began emerging saying that al-Mihdhar was still alive. On September 19, the FDIC distributed a "special alert" which listed al-Mihdhar as alive. The Justice Department says that this was a typo.[189][190]

The BBC and The Guardian have since reported that there was evidence al-Mihdhar was still alive and that some of the other hijackers identities were in doubt. This was commented on by FBI director Robert Mueller.[191] Der Spiegel later investigated the claims of "living" hijackers by the BBC and discovered them to be cases of mistaken identities.[192] In 2002, Saudi Arabia admitted that the names of the hijackers were in fact correct.[193] The editor of BBC News Online has said the identity confusion in the original BBC article that sparked the theories may be due to the hijackers' names being common Arabic names, and that the BBC has later superseded the original article.[194] None of the hijackers have turned up alive since the September 11, 2001 attacks.

I actually got into an argument about all this bullshit recently with a friend and my mother. On the topic of the Pentagon, he swore on his life that the plane wasn't a 747, and was something smaller.

When building a massive conspiracy intended to fool the entire world for all of time, is anyone on this forum let alone a government offical planning this supposed conspiracy STUPID enough to substitute a passenger(which anyone can confirm that flight was) plane for a smaller aircraft or a (far more expensive) missile? A lot of these conspiracy-mongers like to ignore common sense when searching for evidence.

[Eduardo]

Originally Posted by Genjiro

Oh please, enlighten us to a similar plot in recent history that is on the same scale that this government coverup would be on 9/11. Or, you could just keep insinuating without providing any kind of factual evidence and pull things out of your ass (like conspiracy theorists do!).

Just because the previous plots that have been declassified all seem to be on a smaller scale, this does not mean that there are no plots that existed, or currently exist, on a larger scale. Stating that no factual evidence has been presented over the past 6 years, indicates that you have either not researched the topic, are getting paid to dis-inform, or do not yet have sufficient understanding of the contexts while analyzing the evidence.

Originally Posted by Genjiro

For fuck sake, our presidency even when it tried to coverup simple video tapes about a certain break-in (Watergate ring a bell?) couldn't even pull that off. Do you really think they could cover up something this big? You people are a fucking riot.

Most people who think it is an inside job are not arguing that parts of the government are successfully covering this up. Rather, they are noticing that the cover up is starting to finally break down on a larger scale. Thanks in no small part, to the internet. If what you state were the case, these people would not be doing what they are doing, and information transfers, like this thread for instance, would not exist (hello internet2.) People within the movement are feeling more empowered because of the number of people who are waking up and seeing the facts for what they are. That is, until time runs out, when either the internet is under control, or martial law is declared because of the next false flag terror attack in the US, which is planned for sometime in the future (according to the Pentagon.)

[Vatoreus]

Enter the threat against Net Neutrality. *cough*

[Nakilos]

The greatest counter to these conspiracy theories really is the people who produce them are all still alive and well to pass on their theories and make movies. Its not like they couldn't be discovered and simply made to disappear before they released them to the public.

This would be a conspiracy worth covering up, seriously, to the point where it would absolutely be worth killing people who "knew too much" - yet that has never happened, and never will. When some random retard comes up with some bullshit theories, there isn't any point in that as common fucking sense 9 out of 10 times outweighs batshit insane nonsense.

[Eduardo]

Originally Posted by Kasonic

When building a massive conspiracy intended to fool the entire world for all of time, is anyone on this forum let alone a government offical planning this supposed conspiracy STUPID enough to substitute a passenger(which anyone can confirm that flight was) plane for a smaller aircraft or a (far more expensive) missile? A lot of these conspiracy-mongers like to ignore common sense when searching for evidence.

The conspirators count on the population to be somewhat dumbed down, but unfortunately for them, not everyone is. It is also possible that it was never intended to be kept a secret forever, as you are implying. Also, why would the cost of a missile come into play, you think they would skimp on missiles while at the same time spending billions on other things? The first frames of the video that the pentagon released to the public show a long cylindrical object. Watch the tops of the trees on the right edge of the frame, the cylindrical object comes into view from just under the tops of the trees, and you can still see the trees. A plane would have blocked those trees from view. All people have asked is for the actual videos to be released, so that debate can be settled. Instead they are classified and won't be released due to national security reasons.

[Zuuljin]

I just dont get it, if I were to mastermind this whole thing, and try to convince people that a 747 flew into the pentagon..... then I'd actually fly a 747 into the pentagon. But I guess I'm an idiot.

[The Ancient]

Hot Air » Blog Archive » Video: South Park spoofs Truther morons

I couldn't find a direct link to the episode. So just watch it on a tiny screen.

[Dashal]

Originally Posted by Eduardo

Most people who think it is an inside job are not arguing that parts of the government are successfully covering this up. Rather, they are noticing that the cover up is starting to finally break down on a larger scale. Thanks in no small part, to the internet.

Breaking down on a larger scale? What evidence would you present for that claim. Do you mean noted scholars like Rosie O'Donnel and Charlie Sheen rallying to your cause... sorta? Or is it the hard science like this elaborate testing done on a level equal to top NASA projects:

Democratic Underground - Can a jet fuel/hydrocarbon fire collapse a steel structure? An experiment.