The "Broken" movie...

[dak]

I have always been a NIN fan since the 80s but I saw something today that made me reconsider how much faith I should put in Trent Reznor.

While looking for the "Pinion" music video my travels brought me to a FTP site where I stumbled upon a 20 minute NIN video I had never seen before called "The Broken Movie". I said "Hey! Never seen this, 20 minutes...wow bet it must be like a short Lost Highway or something".

Anyways I downloaded it and watched it...im not going into details or provide the FTP site but to sum it up, yes it is Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails and yes it is a realistic looking(but fake) snuff film...

Needless to say I was sickened that someone in popular media would produce shit like this. Its the kind of crap that is weakening the fabric of society.

NIN is starting to market their music to the older(30+) crowds and to be honest I would like people to know what a sick son of a bitch this guy is before they drop money on his music.

To think I spent money on this guys CDs....

At the moment im in a pretty much "F NIN" state of mind.

Was also wondering if anyone else has watched this abomination and did it affect how you feel about the band?

[Ecksi]

"Its the kind of crap that is weakening the fabric of society."

I would be very careful tossing around a loaded statement like that. I believe there was a group of people who said communism weakened the fabric of society, when in fact, in retrospect, they were guilty of thier own accusations, doing more damage then the very thing they despised.

Let me explain something to you. It's called morbid curiosity. We all are drawn to its glow. Some embrace it, some hide it (you; Actovus). That is why www.rotten.com gets hundreds of thousands of hits per day, we are irresistably drawn to the edge of what is acceptable, placing our hands over our eyes, and leaving only a sliver between our fingers to view what is before us. It is why Giger's artwork is so incredible. Ever look closely at what he paints? Extremely phallic, to say the least.

I can relate this to a story of my own. Many years ago, one of my good friends t-boned the drivers side of a small Honda Civic with his '79 Z-28 Camero, throwing her car at least 30 feet onto the median. I was driving behind him, and watched the Speed Racer type action unfold. I parked my car to survey the wreckage, the first to approach the girl.

Or what was left of her.

I gazed inside the vehicle, mesmerized by the sight of a mangled human being.

I'll never forget what I saw.

Some would judge me a sick person for being unable to look away. Instead, I embraced the moment at hand.

[dak]

It does weaken the fabric of society no matter how you cut it.

Rotten.com showing people destroyed in car accidents is one thing but having a rockstar like Trent Reznor(who has a huge fanbase of 12-18 year olds) doing a movie where a teenager is being homoeroticly mutilated is another.

Rotten.com shows reality, snuff films like "broken" just seed hatred and bring out the worse in mankind.

I dont "hide" my feeling in any sense of the word like you are accusing me of Ecksi. I watch porn all the time, hell I'll admit it and say I have even watched kiddy porn some friends and I stole from one of their dads stashs when I was around 13-15ish since the girls were more in my age bracket and it was before I comprehended that they were being exploited and hurt physically. Im not an bible thumping "Actovus" by any means. Im the most libral, artsy SOB you could ever meet.


What you hafta understand is that this video was a bootleg of something that Trent did with some friends and never intended it to see mass public distribution till AFTER people started finding out about it.

Yes, thats right...he filmed his own snuff video without ever having the intent of releasing it since people would think he was a monster. When people found out about it though , then he tried to release it to the public on TV for a quick shockvalue buck but was shot down by the censorship people.

This guy who portrays himself as a "sensitive, deep individual" in real life films homoerotic snuff movies. Sure what he does in his private life is his own business but if you found out your sons school teacher got off on this stuff you would wanna know...to many kids the "spoken word of Trent" carries 100x more sway then any teachers lecture.

Most NIN fans have never heard of this video because Trent came to his senses and realized that he would lose alot of his fanbase if it was released and tried to keep it quiet for a LONG time. Now years later upon closer inspection I find that he talks about it on his official website.

All im tryin to say is if I had known he produced this sort of filth I would never have dropped 100s of bucks on his records/tapes/cds.


He didnt do it for "art", he didnt do it for "sales", he did it because he is a sick fuck.

I didnt post this thread to get into a heated debate over the impact of vulgar material on society so please dont start...I dont want it and im sure Millie doesnt either.

I was just wondering if anyone else had seen this and if it greatly impacted your views on one of the most well known bands ever.


Anyways, Ecksi wernt you deemed a "cock sympathizer" back during the Triztin Sig era? =p

[Ecksi]

Well said.

"I dont 'hide' my feeling in any sense of the word like you are accusing me of, Ecksi."

My statement was more inflammitory than I wished it to be. I was merely trying to fit you into one of two suggested categories, for the sake of example.

It seems that we have stumbled upon another large issue to tackle. I am the type of person that sees "murder" as others view sex. They are hand in hand. We are omnivores, we eat meat, we also devour plant life. It is how we survive, it is how we have evolved to survive.

If you've ever relieved an animal of its burden of existance, you would know that such actions are natural, and one can hardly expect to survive if they feel pity for thier prey. Lets put this into perspective. Before you chomp down on that fat Hamburger, think about poor betsy the cow that gave her life reluctantly in a horrible manner, moooing for help the whole way to the meat grinder, so that we might enjoy the deliciousness of her ground up anatomy. Rediculous, isn't it?

Trent Reznor pretending to murder someone (I find it interesting you mention the fact that he mutilates them "homoerotically") hurts no one.

Personally I have no qualms with Trent Reznor mutilating children in a "homoerotic" fashion. It is none of my business, until he tries it on anyone I know, then it becomes my problem.

Yes I had a problem with Furor banning someone for posting a picture of a large oozing dick, randomly. I thought it was funny, and would have enjoyed brainstorming over the ensuing chaos that could have taken place. I.E. boss walking over to a subordinates cubicle and seeing that picture on his lackeys monitor.

[Szlia]

I haven't seen it or even heard of it before. But it wouldn't be the first time that this kind of imagery would be used. But I would only label him "Sick fuck" if he actually tortured and killed someone on tape... as for it not meant for being showed in the first place, is it the truth or is it a manipulation by Reznor himself? Hard to tell...

There is a japanese movie known for that btw. it's called Guinea Pig and the production company advertised it a bit like the Blair Wich Project. "Someone sent us these film reels and after much hesitations, we decided to distribute them to help identify the girl pictured in this movie". There is no story in Guinea Pig, it's a girl tortured and dismembered in front of a camera. It's fake of course...

Anyway, the whole discussion made me think of "Les chants de Maldoror" by Isidore Ducasse, a book where homoerotic SM, mutilation, rape is mixed with an odd dark humor, all this with a style that is yet to be rivaled... since I am bored and too tired to sleep here is the opening of the first canto in a translation by Alexis Lykiard ( http://exactchange.com/completecatal...utreamont.html ).

from FIRST CANTO

May it please heaven that the reader, emboldened, and become momentarily as fierce as what he reads, find without loss of bearings a wild and abrupt way across the desolate swamps of these sombre, poison-filled pages. For unless he bring to his reading a rigorous logic and mental application at least tough enough to balance his distrust, the deadly issues of this book will lap up his soul as water does sugar. It would not be good for everyone to read the pages which follow; only the few may relish this bitter fruit without danger. So, timid soul, before further penetration of such uncharted steppes, retrace your steps, do not advance. Hear my words well: retrace your steps, do not advance, resemble the eyes of a son who respectfully looks away when faced with an august maternal gaze; or, rather, a horizon chevron of chilly cranes which in winter with much meditation fly powerfully through the silence, full sail, toward a specific spot on the skyline, whence springs a strange strong wind — sudden herald of the storm. The oldest crane, forming by herself the spearhead’s tip, sees this, and shakes her head like a rational person, causing her beak to click, uneasy (as I would be in her place), while her old neck, denuded of feathers and contemporaneous with three generations of cranes, cranes in peevish waves which give warning of the everapproaching tempest. Calmly, after surveying all sides several times with her experienced eyes, cautiously, the leader (for it’s she who has the privilege of displaying her tail-plumage to her less intelligent companions), with the vigilant cry of a doleful sentry, to repel the common enemy, deftly swerves the apex of the geometric figure (perhaps a triangle, but impossible to see the third side traced in space by these curious birds of passage), now port, now starboard, like a clever captain; and manoeuvring with wings apparently no larger than a sparrow’s, she takes then, being no booby, another — safer and more philosophic — course.

Maybe this should also be used as an opening for that "Broken" video

[Synd D`nys]

NIN is starting to market their music to the older(30+) crowds and to be honest

Well, he has alot of 30ish fans because we were all late teens early 20s when Pretty Hate Machine came out. This isn't some new marketing ploy.

This guy who portrays himself as a "sensitive, deep individual"

Heh, this comment struck me as very humerous. Sounds more like you are describing Michael Bolton then Trent Reznor. His music is dark and brooding. This isn't some happy cheery band. This is commercial goth.

to many kids the "spoken word of Trent" carries 100x more sway then any teachers lecture.

Poor parenting.

He didnt do it for "art", he didnt do it for "sales", he did it because he is a sick fuck.

For crying out loud, you have spent hundreds of dollars on his albums and it took this to que you in that hes a bit on the twisted side? Did you listen to them after you bought them? He's a brilliant musician but the man has issues. I always found that to be pretty obvious.

I was just wondering if anyone else had seen this and if it greatly impacted your views on one of the most well known bands ever.

Never seen it. Would have no desire to see it. Won't change my decision to buy the next NIN album one iota. I listen to the music I enjoy and I've never let factors outside the music decide what I buy or don't buy. I also think calling Nine Inch Nails one of the most well known bands ever is a bit of an overstatement.

If it is what you say it is, a fake snuff film, what makes it so much worse then a ton of mainstream movies released in theaters? 8mm dealt with snuff films. They show portions of one in the movie. This is of course a fake snuff film though it is supposed to be real in the movie. I don't see you writting novels on a message board calling Joel Shoemocker a "Sick Fuck" that is unraveling the fabric of society.

How many people meet a brutal end in Pulp Fiction? This is ok appearently because while just as fake as Broken, its portrayed in a humerous manner (yes I laughed so hard it hurt when Marvin got shot in the face).

If age is a problem, a child is murdered in Enemy at the Gates so the villian can lure the protagonist into an ambush. This death is just as fake so why is it more socially acceptable? Oh thats right its a war film so that must make it a-ok.

While I would have zero desire to see this film from the way you describe it (though your over reactionary tone lets me believe it might not be as bad as you are ranting about) I do respect his right to make it. To deny that right would go much further towards "weakening the fabric of society" then the actual making of the film.

[Searyx]

Synd said it all.

Did you ever notice that if you take out all the remake albums, NIN has yet to make a bad song?

[Sueven]

I've seen this video.

It has not effected my opinion of Trent Reznor.

I have bought NIN products before and after seeing this.

That answer your questions?

[Actovus]

If age is a problem, a child is murdered in Enemy at the Gates so the villian can lure the protagonist into an ambush. This death is just as fake so why is it more socially acceptable? Oh thats right its a war film so that must make it a-ok.

No, the death isn't as fake. If you can't see the difference between a hollywood movie where the death is part of the story about the brutalities of war and of Trent Reznor immitating a brutal act of murder glorifying SNUFF FILMS, than you have a lot of learning to do. Let's not forget he wasn't even doing it for profit, but for personal gratification.

*thumps his bible* (tho he never mentions religion to prove a point)

I gazed inside the vehicle, mesmerized by the sight of a mangled human being

Heh, goth kids are always good for a laugh.

I would be very careful tossing around a loaded statement like that. I believe there was a group of people who said communism weakened the fabric of society, when in fact, in retrospect, they were guilty of thier own accusations, doing more damage then the very thing they despised.

Yea, wouldn't want to convince people that immitating a snuff film is BAD would we. Bringing in communism just shows me your mind set and how clueless you are. Tell the 30 million people slaughtered in the name of russian communism how great it was you moron. Your retrospect is false as well. It is now known that most of the people accussed of communism during the mcarthy era were exactly that. Communists actively working against the U.S. govt. But that's a good thing to you.

*thumps bible, tho never uses religion to make a point since he isn't religeous*

It seems that we have stumbled upon another large issue to tackle. I am the type of person that sees "murder" as others view sex. They are hand in hand. We are omnivores, we eat meat, we also devour plant life. It is how we survive, it is how we have evolved to survive.

What the fuck are you smoking lol.........My friends and I are getting a good laugh from this shit.

[Actovus]

Oh and answer me this question.

In the film Enemy at the Gates. The NAZI who commits the crime is a villian right? He is regarded as an evil person yes? What he does in the movie is looked upon as BAD yes?

Trent Reznor doesn't regard himself as wrong or evil when he acts out the atrocities in his 'snuff' film. And wackos like Ecksi don't regard him as such either. There lies the difference.

thx

[dak]

For crying out loud, you have spent hundreds of dollars on his albums and it took this to que you in that hes a bit on the twisted side? Did you listen to them after you bought them? He's a brilliant musician but the man has issues. I always found that to be pretty obvious.

You could analyse every song he has ever made spending 1 week per song and when you were done the only one that would even HINT that he did this kind of stuff was "big man with a gun" and even that is a far stretch. They had a machine pick the guys guts out with a fish hooks and they removed the dudes wang with a straight razor and showers in the insuing stream of blood(Thats as far as I got, turned it off after that)....I dunno about you but I never picked up those kinda vibes from ANY NIN song.

Heh, this comment struck me as very humerous. Sounds more like you are describing Michael Bolton then Trent Reznor. His music is dark and brooding. This isn't some happy cheery band. This is commercial goth.

With recent songs like La Mer and The Fragile you cant tell me that he isnt trying to be more "soft, intraverted and deep thinking" then his previous "commercial goth" music like the entire broken/DWS albums. I remember seeing a teeny bopper 13ish looking girl who you would expect listening to backstreet boys standing in line at sam goody with a copy of "the fragile" for christ sake. He is targetting a broader audience now, one day one of those teenie boppers who is sucked in by his new "soft" music is gonna stumble across this movie while lookin for pictures of Trent standing next to Justin Timberlake at the next MTV:MVA.

[Searyx]

Do I even NEED to reply to Actovus? I don't think so. Chances are he's just pushed everyone on the fence over to Synd's point of view.

Ok. Say it with me now everyone. "THIS IS NOT REAL, IT WAS NOT REAL, THINGS THAT ARE NOT REAL CANNOT HURT ME".

It sounds like he made this personal film clip during his suicidal years.

Who really cares how nasty the film was? In the end, it was NOT A REAL SNUFF FILM. It's simply a deeply disturbed man venting in the only way he knows how. He's not a fucking icon.

[Zinke]

I'm a pretty open minded person. I always thought NIN was pretty good, though I didn't own any cds (too many bands.. too little money). Still, I guess I was never really a huge 'fan'.

Then one day I heard on the radio, the dj was about to play a NIN song ("I wanna fuck you like an animal", can't remember the title). He informs everyone that they recorded that song in the house that the Manson murders took place. So "if the song has always felt a little eerie to you, now you know why" WHAT?!?!!!!
HE DID WHAT??
That's just fucking wrong.
I can understand dark art. I can understand morbid curiosity, I've looked at rotten.com and similar sites though I don't make it a habit.
But I just found that to be beyond 'art'. That's trivilizing one of the most brutal and sick murders ever.
For those of you who disagree. How would you feel if in 10 yrs, someone recorded a song with lyrics like "die you fucking mindless sheep" in the new WTC? That may not be the most direct correlation, but you get the idea.


Also, to Searyx: Things that are not real CAN hurt people. If you saw 8mm, you remember Joaquin's character talking about the devil getting inside your head. You see too much sick stuff, real or not, and you become desensitized. It becomes a common thing in your head, it pollutes your thoughts. Someone who watches fake snuff films, and gets off on them, might become used to them and need a real one to reach that same level.

[Synd D`nys]

That's trivilizing one of the most brutal and sick murders ever.

Murder is murder. There are no degrees of it. Just because the Manson Murders were so sensationalized by the media makes them no more wrong then any other wrongfull taking of a human life. I garuntee you there have been equally or even more shocking incidents of mass murder in this country that just didn't get the nationwide attention.

Your WTC reference is so far off from being revalvent to anything being discussed here, it's pathetic.

You guys are blowing this way out of proportion. A guy made a morally questionable film for his own private use. Sick, maybe. Warped, sure. Unraveling the fabric of society, gimmie a break.

If anything you should be bitching more about the guy who obtained the bootleg copy of it and posted it on his web page. At least Trent intended it for his own twisted desires and not for public consumption.

If it offends you so much, don't watch it. Don't buy anymore NIN products. Don't let your children listen to or buy any of his albums. At the same time, get the fuck off your high horse and stop trying to tell me how I should be reacting to this.

Communists and facists have both been mentioned in this thread. Well its communists and facists that would say "This is bad so we aren't going to let you be exposed to it." Thank God there are still people in this country that go out of their way to protect the rights of even sick and twisted individuals to express themselves as long as they do not violate crimminal laws.

Things that are not real CAN hurt people. If you saw 8mm, you remember Joaquin's character talking about the devil getting inside your head. You see too much sick stuff, real or not, and you become desensitized. It becomes a common thing in your head, it pollutes your thoughts.

So, to paraphrase, because a FICTIONAL movie claims that things that aren't real can hurt people it's automatically true. Oh the irony.

[James]

Ehh...I don't think that movie was the first time the public had ever heard that line. No, I'm sure there were an army of soccer moms around the world who had that on their bumper YEARS before the movie came out.