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Old 03-18-2007, 01:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Star Wars discrepancy....

I have been watching all the star wars movies from 1 to 6 in order. In the first movie Quigon Jinn was Obi Wan's master who trained him. In the Empire Strikes Back Obi Wan specifically says that Yoda trained him when Luke is in the Dago Ba (sp?) system training under Yoda himself. I'm sure there's probably other discrepancies as well but this one in particular bugged me. Anyone have an actual explanation for this that is plausible?
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Old 03-18-2007, 02:00 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I refuse to acknowledge that Episode 1-3 truly exist. At best they are their own shitty trilogy that has nothing to do with Episode 4-6.
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Old 03-18-2007, 02:01 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Anyone have an actual explanation for this that is plausible?
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Old 03-18-2007, 02:46 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Old 03-18-2007, 02:48 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I think you can assume that Yoda took over Obi-Wan's training between eps 1 and 2; Obi Wan ends ep 1 as a brand new Jedi Knight, if I'm not mistaken, so technically might not NEED anymore training, but weren't there discussions about how Obi-Wan's own training wasn't finished towards the end there? Its probably safe to assume that Yoda had some part in continuing to mold him.

That might be what Obi-Wan refers later in the series; I guess its the nerd way of rationalizing the fact that when Obi-Wan made the comment about Yoda in Empire, Qui-Gon didn't exist yet, heh.

And yea, I'm in the Dis camp. I will never forgive the fact that they made 1-3 instead of 7-9 (based on the Grand Admiral Thrawn/Hand of the Emperor and such). George Lucas, may he burn in entertainment hell with Jar Jar Binks for eternity.
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Old 03-18-2007, 02:57 PM   #6 (permalink)
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As horribly fucking gay Jar Jar Binks was, he didn't piss me off near as much as that bullshit 'metachlorians' explanation of the Force.

The major problem with the prequals was the characters. They just didn't mesh/act as well as Luke, Han, Chewie, and Leia. They even managed to fag up the droids more... how they managed to make C3P0 MORE gay, I still don't know.
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Old 03-18-2007, 03:06 PM   #7 (permalink)
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As has been said, we can assume Obi was training with Yoda after EP1.
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Old 03-18-2007, 08:16 PM   #8 (permalink)
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And Yoda was pretty much every Jedi's master...

In semi-related no-so-much news a girl I started dating apparently went to high school and on a couple dates with the kid who played Anakin in Episode I... said he got made fun of a lot for it. But he also got $3 million so I guess he can cope.
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Old 03-18-2007, 08:21 PM   #9 (permalink)
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In semi-related no-so-much news a girl I started dating apparently went to high school and on a couple dates with the kid who played Anakin in Episode I...
I pray this is only poor grammar and not a potential statutory rape issue...
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Old 03-18-2007, 09:01 PM   #10 (permalink)
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uh, unless you are intentionally being a douchebag, theres nothing statutory about it. Jake Lloyd is 17 or 18, its perfectly possible for him to have dated an upper-classman as a freshman since he was A: fairly recognizable from Ep 1 and B: a millionaire.

Even if Dethfang is talking about dating someone from the same year, thats easily an 18 year old.
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Old 03-18-2007, 10:22 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I think "four" changes to episodes 1-3 would have made them as good as the original trilogy.

1) Get a different Anakin for episodes 2 and 3. One that can act.

2) Get a different writer for the romantic and comedic dialog. Someone that can convey emotion.

3) Jar Jar Binks never existed.

4) Change Samuel L. Jackson's character.

Now I'm going to rant, it's going to be long and it's going to be gay. No, I don't give a fuck whether you read it or not.

You have Samuel L. Jackson; by default he should have been the most bad ass, take no shit from no-one, Jedi around. Yes, I know Yoda, Anakin, and Obi Wan are the stars... So take a line from a good SW brand like, oh say, KOTOR and make Sam the ultimate Jedi Sentinel.

It was said Sam was number 2 to Yoda in fighting ability. All the special effects and wire harnesses in the world won't make him look agile, because he isn't supposed to be a ballerina. He's Samuel L. Jackson, by default his fighting style should have been "/Yawn. Get out of my way fools, *slash* *hack*, where the ho's at?" as he strolls through the battle, hacking mother fuckers in half like he's clearing jungle underbrush with a machete. Zero effort, lots of own.

Lastly, since we've made him a Jedi Sentinel and the most bad ass Jedi Sentinel around it should be his fault that Palpatine was able to take control. Sentinels root out the Dark Side, Sam failed to uncover Palpatine, so in the last scene you have the undercurrent of "Damn, I've been living next-door to the Sith Lord for decades. How did *I* fuck up so badly?". Then give the man a good death; falling out of a window is so gimp for a Jedi.

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Old 03-18-2007, 11:23 PM   #12 (permalink)
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To be fair Hayden Christensen isn't a terrible actor and doesn't deserver half the crap he gets for his star wars performances. You just have to look at Portman, who is a great actress imo, to see how bad the writing was that is the real cause of the terrible characters.
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Old 03-18-2007, 11:39 PM   #13 (permalink)
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To be fair Hayden Christensen isn't a terrible actor and doesn't deserver half the crap he gets for his star wars performances. You just have to look at Portman, who is a great actress imo, to see how bad the writing was that is the real cause of the terrible characters.
Jake Lloyd ruined the whole character for me. I know he was supposed to portray Darth Vader as this adorable little kid, but it was over the top for me. I always want to throw up when Qui Gon is lifting him into the pod and he says "wheee." This to me is the most annoying thing about E1, even more than Jar Jar.
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Old 03-19-2007, 12:07 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Your kinda picking on a kid there. The kid didn't ruin it. Look to the director. They could of cut/reshot/edited out all of that shit. I don't think he was worse than JarJar but it sucked, that and the metachlorines. Seriously, why not just NOT explain the force. Mystery is sometimes cooler than science. Especially make believe science.

Actually it reminds me of dragonball z. His power level is 5,000. HAHA! vegeta's power leve is 5,500 there is no way he can win. Anakin has the highest amount of metachlorines ever!

Edit: it all comes down to shitty directing / writing. (oops dragonball)

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Old 03-19-2007, 07:47 AM   #15 (permalink)
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The only part of 1 - 3 that I will acknowledge is when Obi chops off Anakin's limbs and watches as he slides into lava.
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