Watchmen

[Flinch]

Originally Posted by The Ancient

Wait are you saying if I thought Rorschach was badass I don't 'get' it?

Uncool.

No. He does have some bad ass moments, but they aren't looking at why he does what he does.

I was challenging the whole 'movie that forces you to think' idea that was being put forth. People (general public) would rather just sit down and view this as an action flick and are upset/annoyed/frustrated when it isn't.

They don't care about examining shit like Rorshach's motivations: they'd rather just see him flush gangsters down a toilet (not that there's anything WRONG with that.)

I just don't think Watchmen the movie did a great job of 'challenging' viewers.

[Arbitrary]

It is probably better that people could just view Watchmen as a slightly odd action flick because if you dragged them kicking and screaming down a difficult path they would just resent it. The harder someone tries to challenge the audience the worse the backlash seems to be. I thought No Country For Old Men was the best thing I saw that whole year but the response at every level was mixed from critics, to people I knew, to even these boards. I was very surprised by that.

[Korioni]

Originally Posted by Arbitrary

It is probably better that people could just view Watchmen as a slightly odd action flick because if you dragged them kicking and screaming down a difficult path they would just resent it. The harder someone tries to challenge the audience the worse the backlash seems to be. I thought No Country For Old Men was the best thing I saw that whole year but the response at every level was mixed from critics, to people I knew, to even these boards. I was very surprised by that.

Um, really? You know that it won 4 oscars including best picture, right?

Additionally, one of the first things that directors(and all film makers) are taught, whether in school or while working is, "DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE YOUR AUDIENCE".

[homsar]

Sorry if someone mentioned it and I missed it but the BF cartoon is now out to Download

[Arbitrary]

Originally Posted by Korioni

Um, really? You know that it won 4 oscars including best picture, right?

Sure, and it still had mixed reviews, a huge thread here that people argued back and forth on, and limited box office success.

Awards don't have anything to do with what I thought we were talking about.

[dak]

1965 outer limits > Alan Moore.

Scientists plan to save Earth from nuclear war by uniting it against a manufactured alien foe.

Hulu - The Outer Limits - Original: The Architects Of Fear - Watch the full episode now.

[AtwaKom]

Originally Posted by dak

1965 outer limits > Alan Moore.

Scientists plan to save Earth from nuclear war by uniting it against a manufactured alien foe.

Hulu - The Outer Limits - Original: The Architects Of Fear - Watch the full episode now.

Moore stated that's where he originally got the idea from, hence the easter egg of it playing in the background in one of the Sally Jupiter scenes.

[goatface]

Watched Tales of the Black Freighter and Under The Hood last night. Thought UTH was great. Really liked Matt Frewer's parts (Moloch the Mystic)

[Cor]

Originally Posted by goatface

Watched Tales of the Black Freighter and Under The Hood last night. Thought UTH was great. Really liked Matt Frewer's parts (Moloch the Mystic)

Agreed.

Watched them both this afternoon, and while I don't see myself watching Under the Hood again, it was definitely well made and entertaining.

Black Freighter was awesome. Really impressed by it.

[Fedor]

Tales of the Black Freighter
Under the Hood

[Faille]

fuck hulu, the racist bastards!

[Hooby]

Originally Posted by earthfell

he is pretty spot on in terms of the film not being intellectually stimulating. everything in watchmen was very basic intro to philosophy and sociology stuff.

Are you fucking kidding me? I said the film is thought provoking. Whether the topics that are considered in the movie are covered in "Intro to philosophy" or sociology is a moot point - are you trying to tell me you took intro to philosophy and thus revisiting any of the issues touched in the few hours a week you spent in class is below you?

The fact that the issues could be represented in a tangible way lends strength to the relevancy of pondering such thoughts. Not only does it serve as a kind of reminder that the philosophy / sociology behind it, while theoretical, has very real implications when people hold strong enough convictions behind their beliefs to try and enact them upon others - but it also offers several different view points... all of this being accomplished through a story is a very different thing than reading a treatise of human nature. I realize a large part of my advocating the movie seems to stem from the original source material (which I have not read), but the director's decision to stay true to the material while translating it entertainingly to another medium can't be discredited.


I am sorry that this movie wasn't a challenge to your massive intellect, maybe they can make a sequel where instead of telling a story a sequence of difficult to answer questions regarding the specific history of different philosophical theories/philosophers flashes on screen - because that is the kind of stuff you are prone to learn in more specialized or advanced philosophy classes; this may come as a shock to you, but the issues them selves never actually change that much.

Movies are visceral experiences, and most movies primarily attempt to elicit a very specific emotion.. comedies:joy/humor, mystery/adventure:excitement, chick flicks:fuck if know. I am sure there are many exceptions or movies that hit on several different chords; but, honestly after this movie I didn't quite know how I felt... and to me, that was a refreshing change of pace.

Regarding the common complaints I don't happen to share most of common complaints: if a movie is going to be 3 hours I don't mind a few musical interludes, and I don't see how any of the sex scenes were out of place... a girl needs her rebound sex.

Also I thought it was hilarious to see how the other people in the theater reacted to the bludong.

TLR Watchmen is an excellent story that was portrayed in a way much more open ended than most theater movies allow for, if you enjoy movies with quirky characters delving into a not so quirky situation, you will probably enjoy the movie.

If you are an elitist bastard or get distracted if there aren't constantly pretty flashes on the screen, you probably won't enjoy the movie.

[Korioni]

You're misinterpreting the "intro to philosophy" phrase. We're not saying that's what they teach in intro to philosophy. We're saying some douchebag took a single community college class, got his mind blown when he couldn't understand 4 in every 5 words of Plato's dialogues, made a 60-second analysis of the world and made a fucking movie about it.


Where people equally retarded got their minds blown in the same way.


This movie was not even remotely "thought provoking". So now that we've established that, and since we've established that this film is also not worth any value as an action flick, its two avenues to being a good movie are removed and we are left with the conclusion that this was not a good movie.

but the director's decision to stay true to the material while translating it entertainingly to another medium can't be discredited.

Yes, it can. Especially when you accurately remove the word "entertainingly".

[Seo]

the sex scene in the owl was the WORST part of the movie hands down. from music choice to placement in the film to the what felt like an hour of male ass thrusting.

[Lucane Darkseraphim]

Don't forget the flat titties.