The Hobbit - Page 34

Desidero · 09-12-2009, 10:00 PM

That was Frodo's group. Bilbo never met Aragorn in The Hobbit.

Astrocreep · 09-12-2009, 10:33 PM

Yep aragorn never met Bilbo in the hobbit either. so wasnt sure why he is even mentioned as being in this movie

Eomer · 09-13-2009, 02:04 PM

As the timeline depicts above, and as I suspected, Aragorn damn well better not be in the movie. I'm sure they'll find a huge part for Liv Tyler though.

Zerai · 09-13-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Snugglebear

The second film will fill in events between the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings, so Aragorn will probably be in it.

I thought they had decided against this and it's just the hobbit itself splint into 2 movies.

CyrusReij · 09-13-2009, 05:16 PM

They are planning on splitting the Hobbit at the arrival to Laketown I believe, which leads the visit to Smaug and the Battle of Five Armies, which won't even come close to filling a Peter Jackson movie. It is on the wiki that they plan on bridging the 50 year or whatever gap between The Hobbit and LotR after the Hobbit storyline is finished, because while the Hobbit is better in two movies, it can't fully fill two Peter Jackson epicfests.

Tolanin · 09-13-2009, 05:32 PM

The reason the numenor guys lived a long time had nothing to do with their elven blood... most of them were not elven at all, it wasnt a noahs arc story, elros wasnt related to all the numenoreans, only the kings but they all still lived a long time, their long lives were a gift from the 'gods' for being good boys and girls or because they lived closer to the undying lands.

Aragorn didnt have a big part in the hobbit, a cameo might be ok but it has as much chance of being cheesy as cool bringing a big name actor back for an omg look its aragorn moment... i personally hate liv tyler so i hope she doesnt have much of a part either.

Smaugs voice should be something that you can mildly dislike, he wasnt the most evil thing in the books but he wasnt noble at all either... sorta like an oldman who is an asshole to everyone and just doesnt care.

Nebuchadnezzar · 09-13-2009, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by psu199

3001: Bilbo's farewell feast (Start of LOTR)
3018: Full events of LOTR

Which is why they can do whatever they want with timelines in the movies. Tolkien was very free with throwing around long time frames and Jackson already condensed the LOTR timeframe into a couple years or so down from 18.

Eomer · 09-13-2009, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CyrusReij

They are planning on splitting the Hobbit at the arrival to Laketown I believe, which leads the visit to Smaug and the Battle of Five Armies, which won't even come close to filling a Peter Jackson movie. It is on the wiki that they plan on bridging the 50 year or whatever gap between The Hobbit and LotR after the Hobbit storyline is finished, because while the Hobbit is better in two movies, it can't fully fill two Peter Jackson epicfests.

It's pretty easy to figure out really. Gandalf was missing for half of The Hobbit, and it was mentioned he was forcing some "necromancer" out of a tower somewhere, along with the council of wizards. That necromancer was Sauron, who took up residence somewhere else, was driven out, and THEN went back to Mordor to do the shit he got up to in the LOTR books. It was when this was going on that Saruman was originally corrupted by Sauron.

No doubt, instead of just hearing about that, it'll be greatly expanded upon, if not made the focus of the movies. I don't really have a problem with that, because that shit DID happen in Tolkien's universe, it was just out of Bilbo's pay scale.

Tolanin · 09-13-2009, 08:21 PM

I never read them but did any of the short stories that got released in all those books ever deal with what actually happened when gandalf went to deal with sauron then? I forgot about that entirely and ya it would be an interesting focus to have gandalf only sections.

Eomer · 09-13-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tolanin

I never read them but did any of the short stories that got released in all those books ever deal with what actually happened when gandalf went to deal with sauron then? I forgot about that entirely and ya it would be an interesting focus to have gandalf only sections.

Been at least 5 years since I read the Silmarillion, and I don't remember if it specifically addressed the Necromancer issue, except perhaps in passing.

I picked up one of the "lost tales" books edited by Chris Tolkien, and gave up about 5 pages in. The thing you have to realize about Tolkien is that he was creating an English mythology equivalent to that of the Greeks, Romans, Norse and so on. As such, he had literally thousands upon thousands of pages of scribbles and notes and half finished stories, and the mythology was constantly evolving. He didn't decide to write LOTR and create a world for the story to exist in. He created a massive world and history, and the LOTR story was essentially the end of that mythology and the beginning of the "world of machines", as he put it (Tolkien hated modernity).

Chris Tolkien sifted through that and came up with the Silmarillion, or finished with JRR had started with it. But it wasn't a narrative, it was basically a history book that just told you in summary what happened in certain important events. Some of those events were expanded upon elsewhere, but most were never finished. As such, a lot of shit just flat out doesn't "match." Glorfindl is a good example, I don't remember the exact details but there's two Glorfindls, I think maybe even with slightly different spelling. Quite honestly, it looks like Tolkien goofed with including him in LOTR, because he was long dead according to other stories/histories, and elves don't reuse names.

So even if there is some half finished scribble somewhere about what happened with the Necromancer, it probably doesn't "fit" very well with the rest of the story.

Thorpe · 09-25-2009, 09:46 AM

ROTTEN TOMATOES: Exclusive: Ian McKellen on The Hobbit

Hugo Weaving Will Return For THE HOBBIT

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Before the evening started tonight, I was one of the early people at the informal gathering. Since I knew I wouldn’t have much time with Peter on my own, I asked the one thing every fan of “Lord of the Rings” wants to know - when are his amazing movies going to hit Blu-ray, and would the extended editions be included with the theatrica,l or would they be a separate purchase.

Here’s the bad news.

He told me the first editions to hit Blu-ray are going to be the theatrical versions and a year later we’d get the extended editions. The only good news is he told me the studio has started talking to him about doing some new extras for the Blu-ray extended editions. No word on exactly what the new stuff might be.

Korioni · 09-25-2009, 10:52 AM

From what I remember of the hours and hours of dvd extras I spent watching of the LOTR, the entire cast and crew had the goddamn time of their lives filming those 3 movies. Now obviously the majority of those actors have moved on with their careers since then, but I would be extremely surprised if this project didn't bring back every actor whose character has an appearance in it.

On top of that, I would also be surprised if there aren't cameos of most, if not all of the leads from the lotr. Sam and Frodo of course being more difficult in that regard than say Legolas and Gimli.

Astrocreep · 09-25-2009, 11:12 AM

i just hope Ian Mckellan lives long enough for this movie to be made, i know Gandalf is supposed to be like 700 years old but hes going to look positively ancient in the hobbit compared to how he looked in LOTR. he just turned 70.
Fellowship was filmed 9 years ago?

Warrik · 09-25-2009, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Astrocreep

i just hope Ian Mckellan lives long enough for this movie to be made, i know Gandalf is supposed to be like 700 years old but hes going to look positively ancient in the hobbit compared to how he looked in LOTR. he just turned 70.
Fellowship was filmed 9 years ago?

I could nto even begin to imagine what they would do should Ian McKellan be unable to perform for this role...

Replacing Dumbledore was a far easier task than replacing Ian McKellan as Gandalf.

Injektilo · 09-25-2009, 11:48 AM

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i know Gandalf is supposed to be like 700 years old but hes going to look positively ancient in the hobbit compared to how he looked in LOTR. he just turned 70.

If you recall, in the third X-men movie, when he and Professor Xavier visited the teenage version of Jean Grey, they used technology to make both him and Patrick Stewart look significantly younger, and this was at least 4 years ago i think.

Im sure with the technological advances that exist today, especially at a premier studio like Weta, they could do something similiar if he just flat out looked too old.

Fear not!

09-13-2009, 05:32 PM	#501 (permalink)
Tolanin h8 Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,363 -34 Internets	The reason the numenor guys lived a long time had nothing to do with their elven blood... most of them were not elven at all, it wasnt a noahs arc story, elros wasnt related to all the numenoreans, only the kings but they all still lived a long time, their long lives were a gift from the 'gods' for being good boys and girls or because they lived closer to the undying lands. Aragorn didnt have a big part in the hobbit, a cameo might be ok but it has as much chance of being cheesy as cool bringing a big name actor back for an omg look its aragorn moment... i personally hate liv tyler so i hope she doesnt have much of a part either. Smaugs voice should be something that you can mildly dislike, he wasnt the most evil thing in the books but he wasnt noble at all either... sorta like an oldman who is an asshole to everyone and just doesnt care. Last edited by Tolanin; 09-13-2009 at 05:38 PM..

09-25-2009, 10:52 AM	#507 (permalink)
Korioni Six Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,815 -118 Internets	From what I remember of the hours and hours of dvd extras I spent watching of the LOTR, the entire cast and crew had the goddamn time of their lives filming those 3 movies. Now obviously the majority of those actors have moved on with their careers since then, but I would be extremely surprised if this project didn't bring back every actor whose character has an appearance in it. On top of that, I would also be surprised if there aren't cameos of most, if not all of the leads from the lotr. Sam and Frodo of course being more difficult in that regard than say Legolas and Gimli. __________________ Last edited by Korioni; 09-25-2009 at 10:55 AM..

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09-12-2009, 10:00 PM	#496 (permalink)
Desidero Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 596 +1 Internets	That was Frodo's group. Bilbo never met Aragorn in The Hobbit.

09-12-2009, 10:33 PM	#497 (permalink)
Astrocreep Flings doodoo and poopoo Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 5,731	Yep aragorn never met Bilbo in the hobbit either. so wasnt sure why he is even mentioned as being in this movie

09-13-2009, 02:04 PM	#498 (permalink)
Eomer You mean I can change this? Neat! Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,975 +66 Internets	As the timeline depicts above, and as I suspected, Aragorn damn well better not be in the movie. I'm sure they'll find a huge part for Liv Tyler though.

09-13-2009, 05:16 PM	#500 (permalink)
CyrusReij I <3 Cats Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,250	They are planning on splitting the Hobbit at the arrival to Laketown I believe, which leads the visit to Smaug and the Battle of Five Armies, which won't even come close to filling a Peter Jackson movie. It is on the wiki that they plan on bridging the 50 year or whatever gap between The Hobbit and LotR after the Hobbit storyline is finished, because while the Hobbit is better in two movies, it can't fully fill two Peter Jackson epicfests.

09-13-2009, 08:21 PM	#504 (permalink)
Tolanin h8 Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,363 -34 Internets	I never read them but did any of the short stories that got released in all those books ever deal with what actually happened when gandalf went to deal with sauron then? I forgot about that entirely and ya it would be an interesting focus to have gandalf only sections.

09-25-2009, 11:12 AM	#508 (permalink)
Astrocreep Flings doodoo and poopoo Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 5,731	i just hope Ian Mckellan lives long enough for this movie to be made, i know Gandalf is supposed to be like 700 years old but hes going to look positively ancient in the hobbit compared to how he looked in LOTR. he just turned 70. Fellowship was filmed 9 years ago?