The Hobbit

[Chrisb3]

Originally Posted by GrobbeeTrull2.0

Tom Bombadil is the shit, you watch your mouth.

I'd watch your mouth based on that other thread

Bombadil is boring and random.

[Thorpe]

Not a big surprise, but good to know anyway.

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[Wash]

Originally Posted by fucker

however, the changes from the original story i really cant stand are Legolas and Gimli. One has become a slim, blonde inbreed between Terminator, Pai Mei and an Everquest's ranger (hello Endless Quiver), capable of owning a fucking army by himself while SURFING a shield down a stair. The other basically has become the clone of JarJar.

I dunno, the book does say that Legolas kills 41 all by himself at Helm's Deep. And when he ran out of arrows he started cutting them down with his knives. So making him badass for the movie isn't much of a stretch. The surfing and some other stunts were kind of out there though, yeah.

[Gryeyes]

Originally Posted by Wash

I dunno, the book does say that Legolas kills 41 all by himself at Helm's Deep. And when he ran out of arrows he started cutting them down with his knives. So making him badass for the movie isn't much of a stretch. The surfing and some other stunts were kind of out there though, yeah.

Cmon now the running all over the trolls body and shooting him in the head. scaling the stampeding oliphant. Gimli matched his kills at helms deep and hes made to look like a retard. I think he only had a "knife" in the books he wasnt a dual wielding whirlwind.

[Snugglebear]

Originally Posted by Gryeyes

Cmon now the running all over the trolls body and shooting him in the head. scaling the stampeding oliphant. Gimli matched his kills at helms deep and hes made to look like a retard. I think he only had a "knife" in the books he wasnt a dual wielding whirlwind.

I have to agree, Gimli was a badass in the books and they made him comic relief. Dwarves are fucking dangerous. I guess it's tough with the ratings to make too much axe-hacking goodness. Arrows are less gory.

[Azrayne]

Why are they going after other actors for Bilbo, as opposed to just bringing back Ian Holm?

[Runnen]

Originally Posted by Azrayne

Why are they going after other actors for Bilbo, as opposed to just bringing back Ian Holm?

I'm guessing it's for two reasons :

1) Bilbo is supposed to be 50ish (barely middle-aged for a Hobbit) during the story, and there is no way Ian Holm, at 77, could look 50 convincingly without use of CGI. I know X-Men 3 did it well with Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen, but you can't really compare a scene of 20 seconds and TWO movies where the character requiring heavy CGI is going to be in almost all the scenes.

2) On top of requiring CGI to look 50, Ian Holm would have to be quite in shape considering Bilbo goes through quite a lot of stuff and is in danger many times. A lot of running, jumping, falling and getting hit for Bilbo in The Hobbit, and while Holm is a fantastic actor, he was more at ease in the "calm" scenes of the Lord of the Rings than he would be in action scenes of The Hobbit. Can you actually and credibly imagine Ian Holm taking part in Helm's Deep or Minas Tirith battles? Well, the Battle of the Five Armies at the end of The Hobbit is a bit worse.

[Runnen]

About the comments above on how Legolas is "overpowered" in the movies, I think it's mostly to emphasize how graceful and light-footed Elves are, even in combat situations. If you'll remember when the Fellowship attempts to pass over the mountain to avoid the Moria mines, you can see the Men and Hobbits waist-deep in the snow but Legolas is walking ON the snow. Then there is the scene in Two Towers where he just jumps onto a horse without stopping it, and the in/famous "shield slide" scene. All those scenes are naturally made for grins, but I don't think they are out of place. Legolas isn't exactly the average Elf either, he's a Prince, and a feared combattant.

As for Gimli, while he is definately partly comic relief in the movies (mostly with height jokes and the whole "Toss me!" thing), I never once got the impression that he wasn't as good as Legolas in battle. You can see Gimli holding his own many times, and his comments and all-around attitude make him look fearless and always eager for battle, kinda on the Klingon side there.

While I do think Legolas' prowess shown in the movies looks superior to Gimli's more "down to earth" (pun intended) fighting style, I still find Gimli more badass, mostly because whenever Legolas isn't fighting, he's just being overly dramatic while Gimli is usually looking for food, ale and tobacco to fill his pipe.

[Azrayne]

Originally Posted by Runnen

I'm guessing it's for two reasons :

1) Bilbo is supposed to be 50ish (barely middle-aged for a Hobbit) during the story, and there is no way Ian Holm, at 77, could look 50 convincingly without use of CGI. I know X-Men 3 did it well with Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen, but you can't really compare a scene of 20 seconds and TWO movies where the character requiring heavy CGI is going to be in almost all the scenes.

2) On top of requiring CGI to look 50, Ian Holm would have to be quite in shape considering Bilbo goes through quite a lot of stuff and is in danger many times. A lot of running, jumping, falling and getting hit for Bilbo in The Hobbit, and while Holm is a fantastic actor, he was more at ease in the "calm" scenes of the Lord of the Rings than he would be in action scenes of The Hobbit. Can you actually and credibly imagine Ian Holm taking part in Helm's Deep or Minas Tirith battles? Well, the Battle of the Five Armies at the end of The Hobbit is a bit worse.

Fair enough I guess, I didn't realise he was 'that' old.

[Wash]

Originally Posted by Runnen

If you'll remember when the Fellowship attempts to pass over the mountain to avoid the Moria mines, you can see the Men and Hobbits waist-deep in the snow but Legolas is walking ON the snow.

He walks on snow in the book too.

And even though we don't know how old he is for sure, it's most likely thousands of years (we know he's at least 500, but he makes reference to 500 years as being "just a little while" to him, so he's probably a lot older). I'm guessing you can learn a whole lot what you have that kind of time.

/nerd off

[Vardisk]

A bridge gap movie? Damn, they really are trying to milk this franchise for all it's worth.

Next up they need to make a movie based on the Unfinished Tales, just make the whole movie a bunch of mini stories that just randomly stop in the middle.

[The Ancient]

Originally Posted by Runnen

About the comments above on how Legolas is "overpowered" in the movies, I think it's mostly to emphasize how graceful and light-footed Elves are, even in combat situations. If you'll remember when the Fellowship attempts to pass over the mountain to avoid the Moria mines, you can see the Men and Hobbits waist-deep in the snow but Legolas is walking ON the snow. Then there is the scene in Two Towers where he just jumps onto a horse without stopping it, and the in/famous "shield slide" scene. All those scenes are naturally made for grins, but I don't think they are out of place. Legolas isn't exactly the average Elf either, he's a Prince, and a feared combattant.

As for Gimli, while he is definately partly comic relief in the movies (mostly with height jokes and the whole "Toss me!" thing), I never once got the impression that he wasn't as good as Legolas in battle. You can see Gimli holding his own many times, and his comments and all-around attitude make him look fearless and always eager for battle, kinda on the Klingon side there.

While I do think Legolas' prowess shown in the movies looks superior to Gimli's more "down to earth" (pun intended) fighting style, I still find Gimli more badass, mostly because whenever Legolas isn't fighting, he's just being overly dramatic while Gimli is usually looking for food, ale and tobacco to fill his pipe.

I seem to recall Gimli getting stuck underneath a fallen foe...
They made him pretty useless. That was definately my biggest complaint with the films.

[Runnen]

Originally Posted by The Ancient

I seem to recall Gimli getting stuck underneath a fallen foe...
They made him pretty useless. That was definately my biggest complaint with the films.

Technically, a dead Warg fell on him. He was lifting it when an Orc peeked above the dead Warg, and Gimli twisted its neck. Then the dead Orc fell onto the Warg, and as he was lifting that too (pretty impressive in my opinion), yet another Warg pounced on the pile. Sure it was meant to be funny, but it didn't make him less badass in that way.

[The Ancient]

Yeah if that's what happened it doesn't sound too bad. I was remembering it wrong or confusing it with something and in my mind he got stuck and had to be rescued by Legolas.

[Pinchandroll]

They should have emphasized the kill count contest at Helm's Deep more. I believe Gimli ends up winning by a kill or something, but I could be wrong.

Either way, it just showed Legolas so much more during the battle scenes that it gives the impression that he was the better fighter. If they'd spent a bit more time showing Gimli mowing down orcs axe (remember, Legolas gets way ahead due to his bow before Gimli even gets his first kill), it would have made him seem less gimp.

But, I'm biased because I make dwarf fighters in every game I play. They're just too awesome.