X3 reviews (NO VISIBLE SPOILERS)

[Zinke]

Originally Posted by fucker

used Wolverin powers to save herself in movie1, extinguished the flames using pyro powers in movie2 and.....what she did in movie3?

Well, in the danger room sequence collossus purposefully touched her to turn them both into metal when a missile came at them. I didn't mask this info, because it was in that video clip floating around forever before the movie, just goes really quick and hard to notice.

Other then that, nothing, and I agree with you completely. She was fucking useless in the movies without doing the ms.marvel backstory or just giving her flight and super strength. Of course, giving her flight would have made angel look retarded. That character was made back when no super heroes really flew. Then they went and gave everyone flying and he was weak by comparison. Angel's only advantage in the comics, storywise, was his wealth and looks. That is, until they made him into archangel and he became badass again. Imo, no reason to have had him in the movies unless your setting the story for Apocalypse.

Should have cut out Rogue, or given her those powers some other way, cut out Angel, and added Gambit. No idea what these directors have been thinking by not having Gambit. He's second only to Wolverine in popularity if I recall. Could have just had Wolverine, Gambit, Prof X, Jean Gray and Collossus vs Magneto from day one and most of the fans would have been happy. Cyclops too, if only for the love triangle that Wolverine is involved in, though most people don't really like cyclops. Throw in Shadowcat and Mystique for some extra T&A for seasoning.

Honestly, it sort of pisses me off that they did so many evil mutants. Mageneto or Juggernaut ALONE tends to take most of the x-men to take down. Magneto + 4 or 5 brotherhood mutants (blob, sabertooth, mystique, toad, and pyro) and they need a little outside help or quick thinking.

[Zanoan]

Originally Posted by Zinke

Well, in the danger room sequence collossus purposefully touched her to turn them both into metal when a missile came at them. I didn't mask this info, because it was in that video clip floating around forever before the movie, just goes really quick and hard to notice.

Other then that, nothing, and I agree with you completely. She was fucking useless in the movies without doing the ms.marvel backstory or just giving her flight and super strength. Of course, giving her flight would have made angel look retarded. That character was made back when no super heroes really flew. Then they went and gave everyone flying and he was weak by comparison. Angel's only advantage in the comics, storywise, was his wealth and looks. That is, until they made him into archangel and he became badass again. Imo, no reason to have had him in the movies unless your setting the story for Apocalypse.

Should have cut out Rogue, or given her those powers some other way, cut out Angel, and added Gambit. No idea what these directors have been thinking by not having Gambit. He's second only to Wolverine in popularity if I recall. Could have just had Wolverine, Gambit, Prof X, Jean Gray and Collossus vs Magneto from day one and most of the fans would have been happy. Cyclops too, if only for the love triangle that Wolverine is involved in, though most people don't really like cyclops. Throw in Shadowcat and Mystique for some extra T&A for seasoning.

Honestly, it sort of pisses me off that they did so many evil mutants. Mageneto or Juggernaut ALONE tends to take most of the x-men to take down. Magneto + 4 or 5 brotherhood mutants (blob, sabertooth, mystique, toad, and pyro) and they need a little outside help or quick thinking.

Couldn't agree any more

[Narganna Mindteaser]

anyone else notice that rogue, throughout this whole triolgy, took the role more of jubilee in the cartoon?

i could have sworn it was jubilee that wolverine saved, and she was the one who looked at him like a father figure.

instead of having such a useless character (rogue), they could have had someone with at least some neat special effects. although jubilee was pretty useless too.

agree/disagree?

[Proctor72521]

I agree that Rogue is like Jubilee in the cartoon and that she's useless, but I don't think either of the characters should have been in the movies. Give time to a more interesting character who can actually do stuff.

[Goladus]

I liked the way this movie dealt with some philosophical questions. A few scenes were strong in that regard, though some could have been better (especially those involving rogue).

My favorite part was the theatrical entrance of the X-Men right before the last battle. It was a tad cheesy but it was a great moment as a climax to a trilogy.

The plot was a little messy, boring at times, but easy enough to follow.

Characterization was mediocre. Magneto and Beast were good. Wolverine, Jean, and X were decent. Storm was sometimes good often bad. Rogue was good for the 2 seconds she's on screen, and the love triangle plot sucked balls. Cyclops acts with a lot of feeling, just like he did in the other two movies. Problem is also the same as the other two: in context it just isn't believable. Instead of feeling for Cyclops I am wondering why he is such a pussy. The only other two that stood out to me were Kitty and Mystique, but not by much and neither of them are especially important to the plot. There are a million characters in this movie and except for the ones mentioned, they are all 1-dimensional. All of Magneto's henchman are completely bland, including Pyro who was good in X2. Juggernaut is fun though. The Archangel plot is fairly pointless, including the Storm angle at the end.

The mutant powers and special effects were excellent, but could still have been better. Iceman vs. Pyro was sort of cool, but could have been way better. The challenge of finding something interesting for Rogue to do is not even attempted, which is too bad because it would have made her existing plot far more compelling. (She has to choose whether or not to give up her powers, but that decision isn't explored. She only talks about it). Magneto has a lot of fun, but the Golden Gate bridge was kind of excessive (appropriate for a comic book movie though I guess). Storm's action scenes are a lot better than the first movie.

Compared to the other two movies, though, it was a little more obvious that they were just trying to find excuses to show off powers, there are a couple of moments that are really bad. (that Porcupine dude and Archangel)

[Goladus]

Originally Posted by Narganna Mindteaser

instead of having such a useless character (rogue), they could have had someone with at least some neat special effects. although jubilee was pretty useless too.

agree/disagree?

Well it doesn't get much more spectacular than Phoenix, and Storm was great in this movie effects-wise. But they could have used Cyclops more, and made Iceman and Pryo a bit more interesting.

I disagree with you on Rogue, though not necessarily for special effects. Find other mututants to be flashy with. Rogue's absorption ability has tons of potential, you can do whatever you want with it if you take the time to set up the right scenario. Plus it is neat in that it has one of the less-desireable side effects. Her limited role in X3 was a big weak point. Rogue can be as flashy as you want, too.

[Goladus]

movies' Rogue is just....useless

for 3 movies she was just the sexy teen in black latex iceman could not hit, but how much script can you create around a character like that, in an action movie?

Rogue's is a coming-of-age story, those are timeless and parallels to Dawson's creek aren't fair.

She starts off alone and terrified, gets thrust into a situation with Magneto and grows. In the second movie she deals with emotional issues and becomes one of the X-Men, as I recall only using her power to stop Pyro. The third movie should have been the one where she finally got to face someone in combat. That would have been plenty for one character.

they changed her genesis so much they are now stuck with an useless character

Has nothing to do with her change in backstory and origin and everything to do with a creative team who didn't know WTF to do with the character they have.

[Awanka]

Originally Posted by Zinke

Other then that, nothing, and I agree with you completely. She was fucking useless in the movies without doing the ms.marvel backstory or just giving her flight and super strength. Of course, giving her flight would have made angel look retarded. That character was made back when no super heroes really flew. Then they went and gave everyone flying and he was weak by comparison. Angel's only advantage in the comics, storywise, was his wealth and looks. That is, until they made him into archangel and he became badass again. Imo, no reason to have had him in the movies unless your setting the story for Apocalypse.

Hah. Archangel is just about the lamest mutant there is, except maybe that porcupine guy. I can imagine him applying to the Xmen or some other superhero league. The interviewers would be like "What can you do?"

ArchAngel: "Uh. I can fly."
Interviewers: "And? Is that it? Everyone can fly, that's basic shit. Get out of here."

[fucker]

Originally Posted by Goladus

Rogue's is a coming-of-age story, those are timeless and parallels to Dawson's creek aren't fair.

She starts off alone and terrified, gets thrust into a situation with Magneto and grows. In the second movie she deals with emotional issues and becomes one of the X-Men, as I recall only using her power to stop Pyro. The third movie should have been the one where she finally got to face someone in combat. That would have been plenty for one character.

Has nothing to do with her change in backstory and origin and everything to do with a creative team who didn't know WTF to do with the character they have.

i said dawson creek because 90% of rogue script was around her and iceman

and, yes, it has to do with her backstory. this is a 2 hours movie....you dont have much time to change something

introducing something like the ms.marvel storyline in movie 2 or 3 would have taken too much screen time

[Goladus]

Originally Posted by fucker

i said dawson creek because 90% of rogue script was around her and iceman

and, yes, it has to do with her backstory. this is a 2 hours movie....you dont have much time to change something

introducing something like the ms.marvel storyline in movie 2 or 3 would have taken too much screen time

They didn't have to use ms. marvel. Rogue doesn't need to have permanent flight or anything like that. Put her in a situation, early on in the movie, where she is forced to kill or otherwise use her power to beat an actual opponent. Make her choose between dealing with the psycological effects of sucking away someone's life force, and saving someone she cares about. It could start as a normal martial arts fight, where Rogue was clearly outmatched (though obviously more trained than X1 and X2), but then her opponent (say that superspeed girl) tries to put her in a headlock, brushes her cheek, and Rogue picks up a new power. Now having superspeed, she can easily absorb some other abilities. Now you have an interesting fight.

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Then, when she chooses to give up her power, we got to actually see what she was giving up.

[Zinke]

Originally Posted by Awanka

Hah. Archangel is just about the lamest mutant there is, except maybe that porcupine guy. I can imagine him applying to the Xmen or some other superhero league. The interviewers would be like "What can you do?"

ArchAngel: "Uh. I can fly."
Interviewers: "And? Is that it? Everyone can fly, that's basic shit. Get out of here."

Angel, yes, Archangel, no. He could shoot those metal darts out of his wings, and he had enhanced strength, endurance and reflexes.

[Bralkan]

Just as a side note, I thought that was Kitty that Colossus turned into metal.

[Zinke]

I thought so at first, but no. Because, I wondered how he got away without getting all 'blacked out' like everyone else she touches, and then he had to pause and shake it off before he could move.

[Angrier]

Why didnt they stab her with cure instead of killing her? Too easy? Did someone explain this already?

[Arbitrary]

Originally Posted by Angrier

Why didnt they stab her with cure instead of killing her? Too easy? Did someone explain this already?

Didn't someone say in the film that she was way too powerful for that to work?

I thought I heard that, maybe not.

If not the only answer I could come up with is that she clearly asked Wolverine to kill her before she went on a murdering spree and he was damn sure hell ass going to do what she wanted the second time around.

Also, go Leech go. Turn her off like a switch.