New Star Trek Movie to star Kirk and Spock?

[Dumar]

Originally Posted by Zhavric

And that's what I don't understand about star trek. How does a show that sucks for YEARS manage to stay on the air... while shows like Firefly that own from the beginning get canceled?

i'm willing to bet you're either a kid or just stupid (or maybe both). st:tng was the best scifi series ever produced. episodes like the inner light where picard lives the full life of a person in 10minutes or the finale where humanity, put on trial by a superior being (Q) in the first episode, is finally judged, are beyond amazing. easily the best acting done in a scifi series (thanks mr. stewart). and yes, the later ds9's were good too. firefly is okay, but there's no way it even compares. that malcolm guy couldn't even eat picard's shit for breakfast and get close to that level of acting.

[zilkoril]

I'd watch this movie. There needs to be a young Scotty though.

[Lyrical]

Originally Posted by Dumar

i'm willing to bet you're either a kid or just stupid (or maybe both). st:tng was the best scifi series ever produced. episodes like the inner light where picard lives the full life of a person in 10minutes or the finale where humanity, put on trial by a superior being (Q) in the first episode, is finally judged, are beyond amazing. easily the best acting done in a scifi series (thanks mr. stewart). and yes, the later ds9's were good too. firefly is okay, but there's no way it even compares. that malcolm guy couldn't even eat picard's shit for breakfast and get close to that level of acting.

Firefly is imo the most overrated sci-fi show/movie. I just don't understand the appeal, or see where some 12 year old seems to think that Firefly > Star Wars or Firefly > Star Trek.

I found the show to be tolerable, and there's no way I was paying to see it in movie form. I think that Whedon did a better job with Buffy the Vampire Slayer (in the later years) and Angel.

[Cybsled]

TNG started out kinda weak too with Wesley saving the ship every other fucking episode.

Ya. The first season especially is virtually unwatchable it sucks so bad. I can easily understand why Denise Crosby jumped ship, so to speak. Although you know she regreted it later on ;p

[Jadaki]

Originally Posted by Dumar

i'm willing to bet you're either a kid or just stupid (or maybe both). st:tng was the best scifi series ever produced. episodes like the inner light where picard lives the full life of a person in 10minutes or the finale where humanity, put on trial by a superior being (Q) in the first episode, is finally judged, are beyond amazing. easily the best acting done in a scifi series (thanks mr. stewart). and yes, the later ds9's were good too. firefly is okay, but there's no way it even compares. that malcolm guy couldn't even eat picard's shit for breakfast and get close to that level of acting.

I like Star Trek, but you know what sucked about Star Trek compared to Firefly. I never once thought that any of the primary characters was in danger of anything. Sure they killed of Tasha, but it was super cheesy and I never liked the butch lesbian anyway. Patrick Stewart rocks, but he was by far the best thing about ST:TNG. I always thought Rikers character was retarded, he goes from being the cool suave guy to the super emotional promotion passing up pansy in heartbeat. I could go on but i don't really need to.

The Firely universe is more realistic in a lot of ways than what you see in Star Trek or Star Wars. The characters have depth, the plotlines continue from show to show, and the tension the characters go through just trying to live day to day feels more palpable than the silly randomness of having everything provided for you by a machine that custom makes whatever food you want. There was very few moments of tension in TNG or any ST series outside of the last parts of DS9.

Thats why Firefly > Star Trek.

[Cybsled]

The primary characters in Firefly were never in any danger either. You really can't count the movie, especially since it was a movie for a canceled series. IMO Farscape took far more risks then Firefly if you want to nitpick about killing off main characters being the measure of a good show.

Perhaps you were right about TNG, but DS9 definately didnt hold any punches? By the end of the series, they had killed off alot of people you didnt expect them to...villains and heroes alike. Even if they were only supporting characters, it would still surprise you. Like when Gul Dukat's daughter eats a phaser blast to the heart, causing Dukat to go batshit insane for the rest of the series.

[Iannis]

Originally Posted by Cybsled

Ya. The first season especially is virtually unwatchable it sucks so bad. I can easily understand why Denise Crosby jumped ship, so to speak. Although you know she regreted it later on ;p

i thought she was fired for posing in Playboy, or some other wank mag, and it pissed off Gene Roddenberry?

[The Edge]

Originally Posted by Brittney

I really liked Nemesis too, sad how it bombed the way it did.

I agree. Although I was pissed later when I found out it was intended to be their final movie. It didn't seem like much of a send off compared to Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country. That movie did a great job of retiring the old crew, but Nemesis just seemed rushed. I felt like if we're going to wait 3 years between movies that are catered towards a certain audience, you can make it 2-3 hours in length ala LOTR.

Despite bombing at the box office, Nemesis did surprisingly well at the rentals though.

[Jadaki]

Originally Posted by Cybsled

The primary characters in Firefly were never in any danger either. You really can't count the movie, especially since it was a movie for a canceled series. IMO Farscape took far more risks then Firefly if you want to nitpick about killing off main characters being the measure of a good show.

Perhaps you were right about TNG, but DS9 definately didnt hold any punches? By the end of the series, they had killed off alot of people you didnt expect them to...villains and heroes alike. Even if they were only supporting characters, it would still surprise you. Like when Gul Dukat's daughter eats a phaser blast to the heart, causing Dukat to go batshit insane for the rest of the series.

I never watched Farscape, so I don't know what to tell you. i'm not saying you need to kill off main characters to be a good show, but I never get the feeling a pampered member of the federation of planets is in danger unless he is wearing a red shirt (i.e. meaningless characters).

The whole concept of Firelfly is more appealing. They have to earn a living, they are looking for work, the universe is more realistic to where humanity is today (no aliens, used up earth) and they really have no comforts to speak of, one of the main characters is a professional whore while the rest are petty thieves. Star Trek isn't that gritty by nature. Not to mention there is really no plot continuation in your average Star Trek episodes, you could watch them in any sequence and really not be thrown off.

So when Mal is lying on the ship with a gutshot running out of air he wasn't in danger? Or when he was being tourtured by the guy who killed his nephew (can't remember his name atm). He about gets gutted in a sword duel also. Book almost does of a gunshot, so does kaylie. Has Picard ever been shot and had body parts chopped off at the amusment of a psycho, I think not. Hell the episode where Picard gets tortured might have been one of the funniest things I have ever seen. THERE ARE 4 LIGHTS!!1!

DS9 is like the aboration of the Star Trek series. That's probably why it is my favorite ST series ever made. They actually had to build a world around the station and continue plots from one episode to the next, it wasn't nearly as random.

[Dumar]

Originally Posted by Jadaki

I never watched Farscape, so I don't know what to tell you. i'm not saying you need to kill off main characters to be a good show, but I never get the feeling a pampered member of the federation of planets is in danger unless he is wearing a red shirt (i.e. meaningless characters).

The whole concept of Firelfly is more appealing. They have to earn a living, they are looking for work, the universe is more realistic to where humanity is today (no aliens, used up earth) and they really have no comforts to speak of, one of the main characters is a professional whore while the rest are petty thieves. Star Trek isn't that gritty by nature. Not to mention there is really no plot continuation in your average Star Trek episodes, you could watch them in any sequence and really not be thrown off.

So when Mal is lying on the ship with a gutshot running out of air he wasn't in danger? Or when he was being tourtured by the guy who killed his nephew (can't remember his name atm). He about gets gutted in a sword duel also. Book almost does of a gunshot, so does kaylie. Has Picard ever been shot and had body parts chopped off at the amusment of a psycho, I think not. Hell the episode where Picard gets tortured might have been one of the funniest things I have ever seen. THERE ARE 4 LIGHTS!!1!

DS9 is like the aboration of the Star Trek series. That's probably why it is my favorite ST series ever made. They actually had to build a world around the station and continue plots from one episode to the next, it wasn't nearly as random.

the drama is more sophisticated. just because there aren't blood and guts, doesn't mean the danger is any less.

[Iannis]

Farscape was hit and miss imo. That combined with how I think shows using muppets cost a lot to make was the reason it got aborted before its time.

Whenever I think of Scorpius I can't help but think of that episode where a an imaginery Scorp was walking around in a Hawaiin shirt. That was awesome.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Originally Posted by Dumar

the drama is more sophisticated. just because there aren't blood and guts, doesn't mean the danger is any less.

If by sophisticated you mean technobabble. Both Trek and Firefly have their failings, and neither have ever been high on danger or "death" factor.

[Cybsled]

Farscape was hit and miss imo. That combined with how I think shows using muppets cost a lot to make was the reason it got aborted before its time.

Whenever I think of Scorpius I can't help but think of that episode where a an imaginery Scorp was walking around in a Hawaiin shirt. That was awesome.

To be sure the production costs for muppets and whatnot was high, but then they turn around and fund stinker shows like Tremors and they shit out their sci-fi Saturday shitpiles, which are usually more miss then hit. Although I must admit Mansquito was brilliant based on the name alone.

At least Farscape got a proper sendoff with the miniseries, which completely owned. I was pissed they killed off D'Argo though ;(

[Jadaki]

Originally Posted by Dumar

the drama is more sophisticated. just because there aren't blood and guts, doesn't mean the danger is any less.

You mean... oh we found an anomoly and now we get oddball sensor readings (insert technobable and 12 ideas on how to fix it before the Enterprise implodes) and then the captian makes the decision and the day is saved.

Star Trek TNG was one of the least sophistacted shows on TV. I like ST, don't get me wrong, but as a series it has some pretty deep flaws. No one on Star Trek is ever in danger, ever... it's the most "PG" sci fi series ever made and they never take any risks.

Tell me one time you watched TNG and thought anyone of importance was in danger. I am pretty sure I have seen every episode and I never got that feeling.

[Iannis]

I was worried about Picard in that one episode where time had stopped in the vicinity of the Enterprise as it was about to have a reactor breach. The one where he drew a smiley face in the smoke coming out of the reactor?

Yeah, he spent the travel time on the shuttle pod getting really stoned. Could've totally got demoted for it.