FahrenHYPE 9/11

[foddon]

Rented this tonight at Blockbuster. Overall, a very well done documentary to once again show how full of shit and un-American Michael Moore is. Highly recommend for anyone who saw Fahrenheit 9/11 to watch this. They actually really held back from what they could have done, so it's fair for the most part (not really a "two wrongs make a right" situation).

This isn't a politically motivated movie at all in my opinion. Just aimed more righting some of the wrongs from Moore's piece of shit movie. Since it's not politically motivated, it shouldn't really affect anyone's decision as far as Bush vs. Kerry (unless they were mindlessly basing their decision on F9/11).

Anyway, go rent it and check it out if you watched Fahrenheit 9/11.

[Angrier]

Are you calling F9/11 bullshit because of the facts that were in it or because of the way they were presented? Just curious.

[Magnum PI]

Originally posted by Angrier
Are you calling F9/11 bullshit because of the facts that were in it or because of the way they were presented? Just curious.

The way they were presented as if it was a documentary. It was not and that's a slap in the face of real documentaries like Ken Burn's 2000 work Jazz or his phenomenal documentary from 1990, PBS's The Civil War. Compared to these spectacular works of scholarship (which documentaries must be) Mike Moore's propaganda is just that—propaganda pretending to be scholarship.

Ken Burn's works can be graded by the history depts of Harvard, Ohio State, UCLA and any other university and pass muster. Not one single "documentary" Moore has put out can say that

[Sole]

to once again show how full of shit and un-American Michael Moore is.

Un-American? That's just top of the flag pole retardation right there man. Save that psuedo-patriotic diatribe for your next cub scouts meeting bub.

[Dintorr]

It's pretty clear to me that Michael Moore hates America.

[Eomer]

Apple Pie, too.

[Fammaden]

Michael Moore loves apple pie. Some people hate free speech which is supposed to be American but is only tolerated by Americans who agree with what you have to say.

[Magnum PI]

Originally posted by Fammaden
Michael Moore loves apple pie. Some people hate free speech which is supposed to be American but is only tolerated by Americans who agree with what you have to say.

You're missing the point. It's not about Free Speech it's about labeling your movie as a documentary when it's just a standard entertainment movie that shows the views of the director.

That's a slap in the face of people who spend their lives/careers doing legitmate documentaries for scholarship and general education of the public from a fact based, rigously investigated and copusly documented sources from which Ken Burns to name one got his material for The Civil War.

[Warrik]

Im not sure Michael Moore even likes baseball. Rumour has it has it hes really Osama after extensive plastic surgery, wagiing hes new high tech war gainst america and his plan to destroy and discredit this great administration that is currently manning the helm of the country.

[Samus Aran]

Originally posted by Angrier
Are you calling F9/11 bullshit because of the facts that were in it or because of the way they were presented? Just curious.

Here's a fairly good writeup of why Farenheit 9/11 was bullshit. Admittedly it's from a conservative site, but it explains why Farenheit was bad in facts, and adds opinions(the latter of which can be skipped if you're one of those who thinks "LOL REPUBLIKKKAN")

Edit: I think anti-American is a better then un-American. The latter reeks of McCarthyism, while the former is true. Moore really does seem to hate Bush, simply for doing things that are in the best interests of the country. But let's not derail thsi into a political debate.. Although it's a bit late considering the subject, I suppose.

[Kaboom]

Originally posted by JerleMinara
Here's a fairly good writeup of why Farenheit 9/11 was bullshit. Admittedly it's from a conservative site, but it explains why Farenheit was bad in facts, and adds opinions(the latter of which can be skipped if you're one of those who thinks "LOL REPUBLIKKKAN")

Edit: I think anti-American is a better then un-American. The latter reeks of McCarthyism, while the former is true. Moore really does seem to hate Bush, simply for doing things that are in the best interests of the country. But let's not derail thsi into a political debate.. Although it's a bit late considering the subject, I suppose.

Are you really saying that it is better to be Anti-America then un-American? Explain the logic in that? Anti-American individuals persue our destruction and harm day in and day out. Un-American individuals persue a change in lifestyles, at this point in time an Un-American individual is little to no threat to us, while an Anti-American with the access to weapons and the wrong mindset could be extremly destructive to every aspect of "Americanism".

[Taehoon]

Just saw this and have also seen Farenheit 9/11 as well.

Fahrenhype does what Fahrenheit does: makes statements, tells you what to believe, gives you wild eyed people, and that's it. Oh yeah, some tears too. Apparently today you can just say something without backing it up, ala Dick Cheney and the VP debates.

I was not impressed with this movie, and it fails significantly because it leaves out a key point made by Fahrenheit: The Bush Administration ignored the report about terrorists hijacking planes and using them as weapons.

Fahrenhype goes quite far in saying that Clinton really screwed up...quite very far in that it tends to suggest that Democratic thinking is wrong for the Country. Well Republican Bush ignored the fucking report in August, two months before 9/11, while he was on goddamned vacation. I don't care what 'hype says, Bush was on vacation all the time before 9/11. If he was really able to get everything he needed to get done while at Camp David, why is he not there all the time now? Because he was on fucking vacation, that's why.

Both movies do their share of distorting. But what I think it comes down to is the name of the movie. Fahrenheit 9/11 is a fantastic name, and it very well illustrates the fact that some people went entirely too far because of what happened: You have America invading a sovreign country. You have laws being passed that take away our freedoms. You have the Vice President gaining financially. You have the head of the CIA and the second in charge both resigning. You have no WMDs. You have no Osama. You have no stability in Iraq. You have terrorists each carrying a piece of a gun and trying to assemble it midflight just a few months ago.

I went on vacation this past summer, to the Bahamas. We left out of Dulles Airport in Northern Virginia. We pull up to our airline's outdoor arrival area...there's a huge line, going outside. Once you get inside, there's a sea of people, who have not gone through any security, no metal detectors, no anything. Probably close to 1,000 people standing around waiting to get to their terminal.

Bottom line is, Bush hasn't even fixed airline safety since 9/11.

Curious, what is our Terror Level color today? Orange?

Towards the end of the movie you have this nice quote by Ron Silver: "Was it a dream? For some Fahrenheit 9/11, was entertaining. It's always fun to poke at our leaders. For others it was maddening, devisive. For we should support our country in a difficult time. Was it a documentary, was it propaganda, or was it just a dream. Our Nation is deeply divided over what's best for our future. We can learn from 9/11 about the value of uniting in purpose. If we want to have peace in the world, we need peace at home. So let's have the debate, let's make the peace, and that is the dream that should carry the day."

Supporting our country means jumping the gun, shooting first and asking questions, maybe later?

[AngryGerbil]

If Michael Moore is "un-american" for disliking George Bush, what does that make all the people who disliked Bill Clinton?

Oh wait, that's right. I'm voting for Kerry. That must mean *see sig*...

Propoganda indeed....

[Angrier]

Originally posted by Doc
The way they were presented as if it was a documentary. It was not and that's a slap in the face of real documentaries like Ken Burn's 2000 work Jazz or his phenomenal documentary from 1990, PBS's The Civil War. Compared to these spectacular works of scholarship (which documentaries must be) Mike Moore's propaganda is just that—propaganda pretending to be scholarship.

Ken Burn's works can be graded by the history depts of Harvard, Ohio State, UCLA and any other university and pass muster. Not one single "documentary" Moore has put out can say that

Agreed 100%. What Michael Moore does is not make a documentary, but rather use the tactics of his opponent against him (ie propaganda). In other words, this is just the other view point. Just like Bush's side, both are filled to the brim on propaganda, even if based on facts underneath.

Which makes me pissed off when people start hating Michael Moore.. he just does what the other guy does, except from the other view point. To pretend that Bush's side is all facts and Michael Moore is the only one using propaganda, well...

[Schar]

Originally posted by AngryGerbil
If Michael Moore is "un-american" for disliking George Bush, what does that make all the people who disliked Bill Clinton?

Oh wait, that's right. I'm voting for Kerry. That must mean *see sig*...

Propoganda indeed....

quoted for truth