Orson Scott Card flames J.K Rowling

[Blumpster]

Gandolf was gay.

[Etwynn]

Originally Posted by Froofy-D

You gotta be nuts to think Ender's Game sucked. Either that or someone spoiled the book in advance for you. The revelation toward the end (won't spoil it hehe) was a "holy shit" moment on par with when Neo woke in the real world in Matrix 1, or when we found out that Soilent Green is PEOPLE.

Millie, and whoever else, if you didn't read it, do so. It's must read sci-fi.

A "revelatory" ending does not make a good book. It has to be good the whole way through.

[Etwynn]

Originally Posted by Lithose

WOOOOOSSSHHHH

admittedly I stopped reading right after his "analogy." Way to introduce your example so people don't think you're a complete idiot and stop reading, OSC.

Ender's Game is still terrible, and he's still a bad writer. Seriously the whole point of the book is: "haha you got tricked" and its so up its ass about its own message of moral relativism in war that a child could easily see the point that he's making. Oh wait, it is a book for children. And so is the Harry Potter series. Neither series represents a substantial achievement in literature, as popular as they may be.

And you guys can argue all you want about whether someone "should" be able to write a lexicon about copywrited characters, but it comes down to legality. Anyway, who would you rather get the money for publishing a lexicon, some random author trying to make some cash of someone else's work or the author of the series who will probably just give the money to charity anyway.

But you guys are missing the point here. The real issue is why OSC is so self-important that he thinks he can give his opinion on a case that has literally zero connection to him. "I'm an author, my views matter." If you're a mediocre author, does that mean that your views are mediocre?

[Etwynn]

Originally Posted by Lost Ranger

Jesus you are fucking ignorant.

A. What exactly do you know about the mormon religion? I really don't want to get into an OT debate, but I'd like to see if you're just criticizing me because you've been brainwashed into believe that "you should be tolerant of someone else's religion" even if you have no conception of it. Relax, it's not like I don't have equally strong complaints against other world religions.
B. I'm ignorant because I don't like what you like? I can have negative opinions if I dislike something based on its merits and I can have harshly negative views if I really think something is full of shit. That doesn't make me ignorant, it just means I have a different opinion than you.

Sure, Ender's Game is a fun read but it's definately the fucking jesus of scifi like you all are making it out to be.

And there's a big difference between a website and a published book. I shouldn't have to spell it out.

[chaos]

How is there a difference between a website and a book? Don't both things make money off intellectual property? And what makes this book different than the hordes of other books out there referencing fiction?

[Flinch]

Originally Posted by MacPoopypants

Renly + Loras

lol, I'm as a naive a reader as I am irl. I didn't pick that up.

Dude!

Loras wears a goddamned rainbow cape and is called the Knight of Flowers. the only way it could get a little more blatant is GRRM actually wrote a scene where he was jolly rogering someone. :P

[Agraza]

Yea, that is what I took away from it. I know plenty of gay guys that you would NEVER suspect if not for their more obvious partners, so I don't know what to think these days, but I figured that was the way of things in Ice and Fire.

[Khorum]

I bet Loras was on top and Renly was the bitch.

[Flinch]

Originally Posted by chaos

How is there a difference between a website and a book? Don't both things make money off intellectual property? And what makes this book different than the hordes of other books out there referencing fiction?

Or other derivative works, like Red v. Blue, 8 Bit Theatre, or any other comic out there that takes movies, games, books, etc. and writes about them. Like Penny Arcade, Allakhazam or Thottbot.

[Lost Ranger]

Originally Posted by Etwynn

stuff.

I live in Utah which is 70%+ Mormon. I have lived here for years and all I have seen from them is that they are extremely kind and helpful people. Not choosing to believe what they do is obviously a personal choice but calling them almost a cult is extremely ignorant. Tome Cruise and his minions are a cult, mormons are just pretty average followers of jesus.

I am going to assume you are referring to Warren Jeffs and those people which are NOT mormon. They are FLDS which is a completely different thing and yes I would consider them a cult. So you ask me what I know about mormons and I can safely say a shit load more then you do.. obviously.

[chaos]

A friend of mine from back in the MMO days was Mormon. Yeah he has whacky religious beliefs but honestly, I'm jealous of him. He's got a smoking hot wife and new son that he is totally devoted to, he has never had a drop of alcohol or a drug in his life, and his son will be the same, and will go to a nice school like he did and have a good life. Really, of all the things to get upset about, the Mormon lifestyle is really just not one of the things I would pick.

[Aamina]

Originally Posted by chaos

A friend of mine from back in the MMO days was Mormon. Yeah he has whacky religious beliefs but honestly, I'm jealous of him. He's got a smoking hot wife and new son that he is totally devoted to, he has never had a drop of alcohol or a drug in his life, and his son will be the same, and will go to a nice school like he did and have a good life. Really, of all the things to get upset about, the Mormon lifestyle is really just not one of the things I would pick.

It really isn't. My wife is smoking hot, too, and my son was born in January.

[Madrugan]

Actually there are a bunch of folks here who would be surprised at who is Mormon, if they write off every LDS member as a cult follower.

Lifelong LDS member here. Went to Sao Paulo, Brasil for my mission. Returned, got my bachelor's in Aerospace Engineering, at USU, then my bachelor's in Film at NYU. Currently working for Hollywood. If we were all religious kooks, I doubt I'd be comfortable in the job I am in, or going to school where I went.

I am saddened by the ignorance of the general populace, and pleased by the individuals who seek to learn more about their neighbors, be they LDS, muslim, Hindi, or any other faith not well known here in the States.

Back on topic. OSC's books were entertaining. Ender's Game was a groundbreaking science fiction story, and rightly so, during its time. Today, we can all critique and pan it, but when it was released, its content and manner were excessively rare finds.

I can agree with his opinion of Rowling, because I have met her. She has her successed: She's conquered excessive personal wealth. She has adoring fans. But she seeks after a critical recognition that she is not yet deserving of (and I say this, having read all of Harry Potter). She comes off extremely arrogant (chokingly so), is a diva, and offscreen is somewhat crass. Maybe critical recognition will come with future works, but her current attitude of approach and grace are lacking.

[Luthair]

Originally Posted by Lost Ranger

I live in Utah which is 70%+ Mormon. I have lived here for years and all I have seen from them is that they are extremely kind and helpful people. Not choosing to believe what they do is obviously a personal choice but calling them almost a cult is extremely ignorant. Tome Cruise and his minions are a cult, mormons are just pretty average followers of jesus.

I am going to assume you are referring to Warren Jeffs and those people which are NOT mormon. They are FLDS which is a completely different thing and yes I would consider them a cult. So you ask me what I know about mormons and I can safely say a shit load more then you do.. obviously.

All religions are technically cults, though not in the sense of kool-aid.

In any case, Card is a nutjob:
The Hypocrites of Homosexuality - Orson Scott Card
Civilization Watch - February 15, 2004 - Homosexual "Marriage" and Civilization - The Ornery American

[Regime]

Originally Posted by Luthair

All religions are technically cults, though not in the sense of kool-aid.

In any case, Card is a nutjob:
The Hypocrites of Homosexuality - Orson Scott Card
Civilization Watch - February 15, 2004 - Homosexual "Marriage" and Civilization - The Ornery American

Didn't really come off as a nutjob to me?

And fuck Harry Potter.