Orson Scott Card flames J.K Rowling

[Nebuchadnezzar]

He's spot on about the Dumbledore thing, its really too bad Card is such a pompous ass and that has already shot his wad as well.

Terry Pratchett also had a smackdown against her a while back.

[Chrisb3]

This is mostly bullshit.

"Dumbledore is Gay" is hinted at in the last book, where he has a very close friendship with Grindlewald.
Why wasn't it specifically said he was gay in the books? It's primarily a childrens book ffs, she doesn't go beyond mild kissing and parent/child relationships. If she goes into a character being gay, then the parent reading the book to a child has to stop and explain what 'gay' means. The parent may not be ready to tell the child about that kinda stuff, and she doesn't mention hetrosexual relationships much either.

And then the whole argument that Harry Potter has borrowed ideas from other authors so it's ok to copy/paste anything you want from Harry Potter?
There's a difference between being inspired by something and copy/paste.

JK Rowling writes stuff like this for charity so I don't have much sympathy with the internet guy leeching off her work. The authors should have asked permission to publish this book first.
I wonder how much of this book is copy/paste and how much origonal work?

And as much as I love Rincewind and the Night Watch, I had to stop reading Discworld books because the exact same characters repeat too often, exept they turn up with different names. There's always a cowardly guy, and a bossy woman and the wise elder... meh.

[Vorph]

OSC should have done his research a little better before citing the Nancy Stouffer case as evidence of Rowling's own "borrowing" from other authors. Stouffer not only lost that case, but was forced to pay ~$2M in legal fees plus $50k in fines for submitting fraudulent documents. Basically, it was proven that her "The Legend of RAH and the Muggles" book was really just called RAH and they added in the rest of the title sometime after 1991; something to do with the ink used and the age of the printer. And that was just one example of things they altered to try to claim ownership.

The rest of his article was amusing though, I'll give him that. And I think that only #3 on his list of outcomes is particularly likely to happen. It seems unlikely that Fair Use is going to protect this guy.

[Aamina]

Originally Posted by Chrisb3

This is mostly bullshit.

"Dumbledore is Gay" is hinted at in the last book, where he has a very close friendship with Grindlewald.

You're mostly bullshit. By this logic, Harry's gayness is also hinted at with his close friendships with every male in the books.

She had it coming, and yes, OSC is crazy but we all love him for Ender's Game.

[Flinch]

Originally Posted by Chrisb3

This is mostly bullshit.

"Dumbledore is Gay" is hinted at in the last book, where he has a very close friendship with Grindlewald.
Why wasn't it specifically said he was gay in the books? It's primarily a childrens book ffs, she doesn't go beyond mild kissing and parent/child relationships. If she goes into a character being gay, then the parent reading the book to a child has to stop and explain what 'gay' means. The parent may not be ready to tell the child about that kinda stuff, and she doesn't mention hetrosexual relationships much either.

Then why introduce a gay character at all then? Children see and hear a lot more than you give them credit for. Don't you remember learning all about swear words and the such on the playground when you were younger?

And then the whole argument that Harry Potter has borrowed ideas from other authors so it's ok to copy/paste anything you want from Harry Potter?

No, that would be plagiarism. The argument is that you are allowed to use other literary sources in your own works and to try and litigate and control that sort of use is ridiculous.

This guy wrote a book about Harry Potter with his own thoughts and insights on the series. It is no different than someone writing a book about the Lord of the Rings and all the mythological crap Tolkien took from it. Or someone writing a 'companion' book to the Simpsons or the Matrix.

Or someone like Brady Games making a strategy guide for a game. Yes, I know that Brady usually works in conjunction with whatever company's game they're doing a guide for, but there are tons of 'unofficial' game guides out there.

Or, as Card mentioned, a scholar doing research and work on say, Shakespeare.

JK Rowling writes stuff like this for charity so I don't have much sympathy with the internet guy leeching off her work. The authors should have asked permission to publish this book first.

How is he 'leeching'? He did a bunch of his own work/research and offered it up.

I wonder how much of this book is copy/paste and how much origonal work?

I'm sure that whatever he cites as quotations is 'copy/paste' and the rest of the work, the analysis, explanations, etc. are his own original work.

This guy isn't trying to pass off Harry Potter as his own or trying to write a Larry Scotter book that is a thinly disguised version of the Potter books. He wrote a book ABOUT Harry Potter that takes quotes, names, etc. from the books Rowling wrote.

[James]

An interesting link re: Card, Orson Scott Card Has Always Been an Asshat || kuro5hin.org

[Agraza]

That was fun to read. So it is two jackasses clawing at each other and others. +1.

[Lithose]

It's like her stupid, self-serving claim that Dumbledore was gay. She wants credit for being very up-to-date and politically correct ? but she didn't have the guts to put that supposed "fact" into the actual novels, knowing that it might hurt sales.

What a pretentious, puffed-up coward. When I have a gay character in my fiction, I say so right in the book. I don’t wait until after it has had all its initial sales to mention it.

Fuck yes sir, exactly what I said in the "Dumbeldore was gay" thread and he is spot on..

[Salshun]

Anyone else get really pissed when someone tells them how much of an awesome fantasy series the Harry Potter books are and you just want to sit them down and force them to read Salvatore's Drizzt series, the Dark Tower Series, Orson's shit, etc., just to enlighten them?

[Chrisb3]

I don't actually think that anything is wrong with publishing a companion book or whatever.
But it is leeching off someone elses work regardless of it's legality, I'm not sure how much research and personal insight you can put into Harry Potter.
It's mostly just going to be copy/paste unless you can explain what needs analysing so much. There is infact a book that explains all the mythology behind Harry Potter and they didn't get sued, so obviously these guys must have plagerised to some extent for it to get to this point.
GJ comparing Harry Potter to Shakespeare by the way O_O

And as hilarious as gay Harry potter would be, he does kinda have a girlfriend/get married. Are you commenting on a book you have never read? He has two close friends, one of which is female.

[OhSeven]

Originally Posted by Chrisb3

I don't actually think that anything is wrong with publishing a companion book or whatever.
But it is leeching off someone elses work regardless of it's legality, I'm not sure how much research and personal insight you can put into Harry Potter.
It's mostly just going to be copy/paste unless you can explain what needs analysing so much. There is infact a book that explains all the mythology behind Harry Potter and they didn't get sued, so obviously these guys must have plagerised to some extent for it to get to this point.
GJ comparing Harry Potter to Shakespeare by the way O_O

And as hilarious as gay Harry potter would be, he does kinda have a girlfriend/get married. Are you commenting on a book you have never read? He has two close friends, one of which is female.

J.K. Rowling already blew her load. You can stop sucking her dick now.

[The Ancient]

Ender's Game > All of the Harry Potter books > Any single Harry Potter Book > Speaker for the Dead

[Braen]

Originally Posted by Salshun

Anyone else get really pissed when someone tells them how much of an awesome fantasy series the Harry Potter books are and you just want to sit them down and force them to read Salvatore's Drizzt series, the Dark Tower Series, Orson's shit, etc., just to enlighten them?

A Song of Ice and Fire. That would show people what real fantasy is.

[column]

Originally Posted by Salshun

Anyone else get really pissed when someone tells them how much of an awesome fantasy series the Harry Potter books are and you just want to sit them down and force them to read Salvatore's Drizzt series, the Dark Tower Series, Orson's shit, etc., just to enlighten them?

Salvatore has only written 3 good books..The Dark Elf Trilogy. The rest of his catalog is utter garbage. Icewind dale is almost plagiarism,which he freely admits. Cleric Quintet,besides the 2 dwarf brothers,was a painful experience to get through.

Everything after Icewind Dale with Drizzit has been worse then most comic books.Did anyone like Demonwars?I rest my case.

Now you probably asking if you hate his writing so much why keep giving him chances? This is why, The Dark Elf trilogy was one of the best fanasty novels I have ever read. It was amazing from starting to end. I think it was because it was the first time Salvatore really dug deep and put himself into his characters. He might have had some possible farther issues,who knows.
I have never enjoyed ANY Fanasty novel as much as those,and I'll continue to give him chances just incase there is an iota of chance he can reproduce that again. Unfortunately he was a one trick pony,and I finally surrendered by refusing to buy his churned out crap anymore.

Salvatore to me is one the most overrated writers working today.He must have signed a pact with the devil to create Dark Elf....

/rant off

[Chrisb3]

Originally Posted by OhSeven

J.K. Rowling already blew her load. You can stop sucking her dick now.

I'm not, i just think that Orson Scott is wrong. She isn't the greatest author ever by a long long way.