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Old 03-30-2008, 01:57 AM   #121 (permalink)
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Bleach 188 page 11 | One Manga

I guess he only saw an arrancar over ten years ago... didn't necessarily fight him. This chapter is like over two years old.

A few of the info sites have it wrong, they say isshin fought an arrancar ten years before the main timeline. I need to stop going to these other online forums too much misinformation!
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Old 03-30-2008, 08:32 AM   #122 (permalink)
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Bleach 188 page 11 | One Manga

I guess he only saw an arrancar over ten years ago... didn't necessarily fight him. This chapter is like over two years old.

A few of the info sites have it wrong, they say isshin fought an arrancar ten years before the main timeline. I need to stop going to these other online forums too much misinformation!
He's saying that the new (Arrancar) Grand Fisher is different to the old (Normal Hollow) Grand Fisher he saw 10 years previous when his wife died. Grand Fisher was made into an Arrancar right after he is defeated by Ichigo close to the start of Bleach.
So he saw a normal hollow 10 years previous. It's the first Arrancar he has seen/fought as far as we know.
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Old 03-30-2008, 10:14 AM   #123 (permalink)
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Looks like the translators made a little mistake with this latest chapter, it takes place 110 years ago rather than 100.
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Old 03-31-2008, 12:22 AM   #124 (permalink)
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He's saying that the new (Arrancar) Grand Fisher is different to the old (Normal Hollow) Grand Fisher he saw 10 years previous when his wife died. Grand Fisher was made into an Arrancar right after he is defeated by Ichigo close to the start of Bleach.
So he saw a normal hollow 10 years previous. It's the first Arrancar he has seen/fought as far as we know.
Reread that, you're misinterpreting it.

Urahara: "Ah so that hollow that came earlier... He was that Arankaru. Right?"

Kurosaki Isshin: "But, the Arrankaru now was completely different. From the one I saw over ten years ago."

You wouldn't normally refer to a singular being that way. Rather at type/race of beings. "The arrankaru now was completely different from the one I saw over ten years ago." He is saying the Arrankar now look quite different from the one in the past and it's already been revealed that the ones modified by Aizen are far more complete then the Arrankar who have taken off their masks themselves.

Add that to the fact that Masaki died just six years before the main storyline. The main storyline is at max one year long. From Rukia's kidnapping to soul society to the current period in Hueco Mundo has only been a few months.

soul_society: Bleach Timeline of Epic Proportions

Also if you still disagree just read Isshin's wiki:
Isshin Kurosaki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Old 03-31-2008, 12:06 PM   #125 (permalink)
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Urahara: "Ah so that hollow that came earlier... He was that Arankaru. Right?"

Kurosaki Isshin: "But, the Arrankaru now was completely different. From the one I saw over ten years ago."

You wouldn't normally refer to a singular being that way. Rather at type/race of beings. "The arrankaru now was completely different from the one I saw over ten years ago." He is saying the Arrankar now look quite different from the one in the past and it's already been revealed that the ones modified by Aizen are far more complete then the Arrankar who have taken off their masks themselves.
The translation on that chapter is extremly bad which is why we are confused.
This is a different translation which implies that Isshin has seen Incomplete Arrancar decades before as a Shinigami, although less powerful then Grand Fisher.
However the Incomplete Arrancar he saw wasn't Grand Fisher as he is turned into a Hollow by Iceringer and D-Roy here after being defeated by Ichigo.

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Add that to the fact that Masaki died just six years before the main storyline. The main storyline is at max one year long. From Rukia's kidnapping to soul society to the current period in Hueco Mundo has only been a few months.
Isshin can't count.

Fanfic is full of errors. Damned stupid bad translations.

Fact is Isshin has been in a Gigai for 20 years, but seems to know alot about Arrancar/Aizen/Vaizard from his Shinigami past.
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Old 03-31-2008, 01:37 PM   #126 (permalink)
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Sadly though, researching these old issues has only confused me more. In that same chapter where Isshin talks to Urahara about the Arrancar, is the same chapter in which Shinji/Ichigo are having their initial scuffle across town.

Unfortunately, when it comes to the sensing of Ichigo's dad's spritual pressure, Shinji claims "I do not recognize this immense shinigami power...", thus throwing a wrench into my ideas of Isshin being around during this new past-timeline. If he had been, Shinji should have easily been able to tell who it was.

This new issue can't come fast enough.
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Old 03-31-2008, 06:47 PM   #127 (permalink)
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Oh yeah, i definately agree it wasn't grand fisher that he saw ten years or decades before when he said arrancar.

I'm going to let the rest of the time shit slide because the manga author himself might not be keeping track of shit.
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Old 03-31-2008, 09:47 PM   #128 (permalink)
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According to the site, it's going to take place some time in April. A new arc that will happen in Soul Society featuring an anime-original character taking over the spot Ichimaru Gin has left vacant. The name of the character is Amagai Shuusuke. The other character is the new 3rd seat.
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Old 04-01-2008, 04:37 AM   #129 (permalink)
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Or shinji was just playing the part of the fool because Ichigo can't sense people's powers for shit.

But I kinda think that Ichigo's dad came in directly after those guys became Vizards, since he seemed to be aware of their existence.
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Old 04-01-2008, 05:54 AM   #130 (permalink)
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April fools?
Nah that rumor has been around for a while now. There are some pics of the new Captain on some places, but I only saw them on Japanese site. Looks like Aizen+Renji's bastard love child if it's the guy i'm thinking of.
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Old 04-01-2008, 12:40 PM   #131 (permalink)
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The new anime filler arc seems bizarre.

We already have those fucking dolls turning up randomly, which will only get worse since the manga is now hyping Urahara up as even more of a major character than he was before.
Now we have this new Captain who is going to do what... randomly interfere with fights and trip over in a fine example of japanese comedy? We will see...

I thought it would be cool if the anime got some canon material, probally backstory to complement the manga. Maybe this new character could even turn up in the manga and have the majority of his backstory in the anime?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Anyway new spoilers are out and certain cat lady is at Urahara's party... as Captain of 2nd Division!
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Old 04-03-2008, 07:17 AM   #132 (permalink)
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Spoilers are out:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
It seems Yoruichi is indeed Capt. of Division #2. Kensei is #9, and what looks to be Byakuya's father with maybe a younger Vice-Captain Byakuya standing right behind him is #6. The 'Kenpachi', whoever he is if not our Kenpachi is not present.
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Old 04-04-2008, 04:40 AM   #133 (permalink)
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Old 04-04-2008, 10:18 AM   #134 (permalink)
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Off topic a little, but the new bleach movie hit DVD a few days ago. Anyone seen it yet?
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Old 04-04-2008, 12:43 PM   #135 (permalink)
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