Bleach [Manga] - Spoilers up to the most recent Chapter. - Page 5

Asmadai · 02-14-2008, 01:53 PM

Zangetsu tells Ichigo what it's called during the Kenpachi/Ichigo fight.

It's called Asauchi, which is:

Wiki: Shinigami who are unable to communicate with their zanpakutō wield a nameless version known as asauchi, meaning shallow cut.

It's technically Shikai, because any zanpaktou that has not been released tends to look identical; a plain samurai sword, but since Kenpachi's looks different (that whole jagged-edged ancient look to it), just like Ichigo's, it's assumed he's already in a constant released state.

Peacecraft · 02-14-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Asmadai

Zangetsu tells Ichigo what it's called during the Kenpachi/Ichigo fight.

It's called Asauchi, which is:

Wiki: Shinigami who are unable to communicate with their zanpakutō wield a nameless version known as asauchi, meaning shallow cut.

It's technically Shikai, because any zanpaktou that has not been released tends to look identical; a plain samurai sword, but since Kenpachi's looks different (that whole jagged-edged ancient look to it), just like Ichigo's, it's assumed he's already in a constant released state.

i'm pretty sure it looks the way it does because he's used it in so many battles. the jagged/chipped edges are a result of this.

The Dauntless One · 02-15-2008, 04:18 PM

No, the sword just looks like that... with kenpachi's spirit power, no one should really be able to dent his sword at all. It wouldn't be surprising his raw spirit power is only topped by the commander general dude.

This last chapter was kind of surprising. It doesn't show anything new for Ken but it shows he's still got power to spare. Hopefully next chapter we will see something new. Doesn't need to be bankai. an attack or technique he's never shown before would be pretty cool (I don't think he's shown anything other than physical prowess).

Asmadai · 02-21-2008, 07:05 AM

Hahahaha Kenpachi is the fucking man. "You swing your sword harder when you hold it with two hands - I think I'll give this a try now."

Who needs bankai when you can just do that?

Zindan · 02-21-2008, 08:06 AM

Heh, yea. No release for Zaraki, but a new fighting style. Nice work around. Though I hope this is the last "stage" of the fight...time to move on.

Chinaman889 · 02-21-2008, 02:40 PM

Funny shit - switching over to a different combat style haha.

The Dauntless One · 02-21-2008, 03:45 PM

Did 311 come out already or are you guys talking about 310?

cdyhybrid · 02-21-2008, 05:08 PM

311 spoilers. It looks lame.

Zindan · 02-22-2008, 08:26 AM

311 is a bit dull, only interesting info from it is that Zaraki learned Kendo from the Old Man (Yamamoto).

Kheldin · 03-04-2008, 12:06 AM

I always wondered why Kenpachi wouldn't just take vacations in Hueco Mundo (sp?) to fight hollows nonstop given his thirst for fighting. I'm not 100% caught up on the manga but it never made sense for the shinigami's to not launch an offensive front against the hollows for no other reason than it's a Thursday.

Malakriss · 03-04-2008, 12:44 AM

They wouldn't for the sake of "Balance" between the human world and the spirits. Or maybe some other BS plot device.

I'm kind of curious how Nell will end up, it would be a shame to just kill her off since the story would be much more interesting if she becomes the first Reverse Vizard or ends up being Ichigo's lieutenant like Yachiru is for Zaraki.

Tullaeniel · 03-04-2008, 01:04 AM

Was anyone else disappointed with how it ended up for Nnoitra. I mean don't get me wrong Kenpachi is my of personal favorites. However, using such a poor shift in battle "I use two hands I am stonger" is a bit under-whelming. I was hoping for shikai or the name of his sword or something.

I enjoy Bleach and read it and watch them as they are released, however the captains showing up and kicking ass with bankai, while Ichigo barely pulls the big W from Grimmjow in his mask kinda kills the power levels for me. It's really hard to judge how strong a character is because of the fluctuation going on.

Another thing I hope happens at some point in the story is tying up some of the loose ends sitting out there. Ichigo's dad being a hallow then bam forgotten. Same shit with Ishida's, The Visards seem to have been forgotten as well. I would love to see a real fight with Urahara and someone. Sometimes I think their are to many characters that they just get swept under the rug and never explained.

skalls · 03-04-2008, 05:52 AM

Ichigo's dad is/was a shinigami. My guess is that plot thread will be tied up during the winter war arc, along with the vizards, although touching on that before then would be nice.

cdyhybrid · 03-04-2008, 11:08 AM

While the ending of the Kenpachi fight was indeed kind of lame, it looks like we're coming up on a pretty awesome part of the story. The flashback with Nell and Nnoitra and the little tidbit about a new threat appearing before Ichigo/enemy's true colors makes it sound like we're finally going to see the plot move forward instead of random fighting for the next 10 chapters.

Any theories on who the new threat is? The logical guesses would be Ulquiorra, who escaped from the Caja Negacion, or Halibel, who has been watching the whole time. An interesting possibility would be Nell turning on Ichigo/Kenpachi after seeing Nnoitra killed, since it seems like she had a love/hate relationship with him in the flashback. An even more unlikely scenario would be Kenpachi revealing that the four captains are actually there to capture Ichigo, Orihime, and Co. and bring them back to Soul Society and imprison/punish them for invading Hueco Mundo against Yamamoto's orders, which might result in Ichigo fighting against the captains again. Regardless, I'm excited to see what will happen.

Chrisb3 · 03-04-2008, 12:25 PM

Random Vastrolord arriving at Las Noches to get arrancarised?

02-21-2008, 02:40 PM	#66 (permalink)
Chinaman889 100% Banana Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 927 -22 Internets	Funny shit - switching over to a different combat style haha. __________________ Gurgeh: Last time I checked FOH channel it was just as empty as a Loveu killboard, was depressing.

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Malakriss GOMTV Contest Winner Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,846	They wouldn't for the sake of "Balance" between the human world and the spirits. Or maybe some other BS plot device. I'm kind of curious how Nell will end up, it would be a shame to just kill her off since the story would be much more interesting if she becomes the first Reverse Vizard or ends up being Ichigo's lieutenant like Yachiru is for Zaraki. __________________ Last edited by Malakriss; 03-04-2008 at 12:47 AM..

03-04-2008, 01:04 AM	#72 (permalink)
Tullaeniel Bill Clinton Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 610 +11 Internets	Was anyone else disappointed with how it ended up for Nnoitra. I mean don't get me wrong Kenpachi is my of personal favorites. However, using such a poor shift in battle "I use two hands I am stonger" is a bit under-whelming. I was hoping for shikai or the name of his sword or something. I enjoy Bleach and read it and watch them as they are released, however the captains showing up and kicking ass with bankai, while Ichigo barely pulls the big W from Grimmjow in his mask kinda kills the power levels for me. It's really hard to judge how strong a character is because of the fluctuation going on. Another thing I hope happens at some point in the story is tying up some of the loose ends sitting out there. Ichigo's dad being a hallow then bam forgotten. Same shit with Ishida's, The Visards seem to have been forgotten as well. I would love to see a real fight with Urahara and someone. Sometimes I think their are to many characters that they just get swept under the rug and never explained. __________________ Now you know and knowing is half the battle. GO JOE!!!

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Chrisb3 Farming negs Join Date: May 2007 Location: Wigan, England Posts: 1,609 -80 Internets	Random Vastrolord arriving at Las Noches to get arrancarised? __________________ Dominara, Champion of the Frozen Wastes: EU-Sylvanas.

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02-14-2008, 01:53 PM	#61 (permalink)
Asmadai the Venerable Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Sealab Posts: 2,720	Zangetsu tells Ichigo what it's called during the Kenpachi/Ichigo fight. It's called Asauchi, which is: Wiki: Shinigami who are unable to communicate with their zanpakutō wield a nameless version known as asauchi, meaning shallow cut. It's technically Shikai, because any zanpaktou that has not been released tends to look identical; a plain samurai sword, but since Kenpachi's looks different (that whole jagged-edged ancient look to it), just like Ichigo's, it's assumed he's already in a constant released state.

02-15-2008, 04:18 PM	#63 (permalink)
The Dauntless One Flaccid Steel Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Vancouver Posts: 2,284	No, the sword just looks like that... with kenpachi's spirit power, no one should really be able to dent his sword at all. It wouldn't be surprising his raw spirit power is only topped by the commander general dude. This last chapter was kind of surprising. It doesn't show anything new for Ken but it shows he's still got power to spare. Hopefully next chapter we will see something new. Doesn't need to be bankai. an attack or technique he's never shown before would be pretty cool (I don't think he's shown anything other than physical prowess).

02-21-2008, 07:05 AM	#64 (permalink)
Asmadai the Venerable Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Sealab Posts: 2,720	Hahahaha Kenpachi is the fucking man. "You swing your sword harder when you hold it with two hands - I think I'll give this a try now." Who needs bankai when you can just do that?

02-21-2008, 08:06 AM	#65 (permalink)
Zindan Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 401 -6 Internets	Heh, yea. No release for Zaraki, but a new fighting style. Nice work around. Though I hope this is the last "stage" of the fight...time to move on.

02-21-2008, 03:45 PM	#67 (permalink)
The Dauntless One Flaccid Steel Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Vancouver Posts: 2,284	Did 311 come out already or are you guys talking about 310?

02-21-2008, 05:08 PM	#68 (permalink)
cdyhybrid Go Dawgs! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Oahu/Seattle Posts: 897	311 spoilers. It looks lame.

02-22-2008, 08:26 AM	#69 (permalink)
Zindan Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 401 -6 Internets	311 is a bit dull, only interesting info from it is that Zaraki learned Kendo from the Old Man (Yamamoto).

03-04-2008, 12:06 AM	#70 (permalink)
Kheldin The Brewmaster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 488 +0 Internets	I always wondered why Kenpachi wouldn't just take vacations in Hueco Mundo (sp?) to fight hollows nonstop given his thirst for fighting. I'm not 100% caught up on the manga but it never made sense for the shinigami's to not launch an offensive front against the hollows for no other reason than it's a Thursday.

03-04-2008, 05:52 AM	#73 (permalink)
skalls Wat? Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fargo ND Posts: 180 -13 Internets	Ichigo's dad is/was a shinigami. My guess is that plot thread will be tied up during the winter war arc, along with the vizards, although touching on that before then would be nice.

03-04-2008, 11:08 AM	#74 (permalink)
cdyhybrid Go Dawgs! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Oahu/Seattle Posts: 897	While the ending of the Kenpachi fight was indeed kind of lame, it looks like we're coming up on a pretty awesome part of the story. The flashback with Nell and Nnoitra and the little tidbit about a new threat appearing before Ichigo/enemy's true colors makes it sound like we're finally going to see the plot move forward instead of random fighting for the next 10 chapters. Any theories on who the new threat is? The logical guesses would be Ulquiorra, who escaped from the Caja Negacion, or Halibel, who has been watching the whole time. An interesting possibility would be Nell turning on Ichigo/Kenpachi after seeing Nnoitra killed, since it seems like she had a love/hate relationship with him in the flashback. An even more unlikely scenario would be Kenpachi revealing that the four captains are actually there to capture Ichigo, Orihime, and Co. and bring them back to Soul Society and imprison/punish them for invading Hueco Mundo against Yamamoto's orders, which might result in Ichigo fighting against the captains again. Regardless, I'm excited to see what will happen.