WTF is wrong with people?

[Etoille]

Taking the thread into a couple of different directions:

1. Thank god she lives in a country of people that while filled with scum are compassionate enough to not punish her and label her a bad person for choosing to take the pill in her rape kit which will prevent her from going through further mental anguish.


2. I'm 28 years old. My neighbor has a 15 year old daughter that she's having a lot of trouble with. What I don't get (and don't get me wrong here I don't blame the victim) is - what is wrong with KIDS these days?

Like when we were growing up it was drugs or alcohol etc - I don't pretend to think kids today are any worse than we were on those subjects. But the violence and sexualization is just horrifying. I saw 12 year olds trying on costumes the other day in target that were like 'sexy tinkerbelle' and 'french maid' and all I could think was "whose fucking child is that? and where are their mothers?"

I can understand my neighbor's 15 year old having sex with her boyfriend. I dont like it but I understand it. What I don't understand is the lack of understanding of consequences when it comes to sex that it seems the "Maury paternity show" generation has now. Like that picture you just posted on facebook of you topless? Its on the tubes dude. You can't unring that bell (college).

Or the lack in this case of girls using good judgment about following a guy into a dark alley. She may have been drugged true but if these kids went to the school previously as is alleged you think this is the first incident? I don't. She had to have known that this guy was shady. Kids know what the hell is going on. So it means one thing to me: they don't care or think that it wont happen to them because they're clearly better than the last girl. (Which spawned a whole different train of thought for me on youth and thoughts/conception of immortality).

I look at the future generation of girls who are dressing sluttier and sluttier younger and younger and who are making these decisions to do whatever it takes when it comes to guys and I just go "god I hope I have boys."

And I can't shake this feeling that its getting worse and worse because my generation is screwing it up like the one before us screwed up.

What the fuck is wrong with all of us? It has to start somewhere. For every guy on this thread I see expressing moral outrage over this there's another one of you saying some chick on the PGT has sharp elbows or an eyelash thats out of place. The sad thing is that girls are letting a society that doesn't care enough to call 911 when theyre being raped dictate their actions when it comes to who and what they are.

It's all part of the same thing. This girl wasn't a victim that night. She was a victim long before it. And few women (especially young ones) are able to make the choice to look in the mirror and decide NOT to be a victim. Because she had to know what kind of guy she was seeing/led her away. She just thought that she'd wake up one day and love the person she saw in the mirror more if it looked and acted like something that guy wanted to be with.

If you guys want to make changes in society it doesn't start with cutting dicks off on TV. It starts with choosing not to be a bystander yourself and not engaging in retarded shit that flows back to the concept that a woman is worth only what her looks dictate. Its not about being an internet white knight or dating someone you don't find to be attractive; its about not participating in the general douchebaggery when it comes to women that you all think each other less manly for if you don't.

[Hatorade]

The horrible act aside no one has asked the hard question. Is she hot or have a nice rack? The media coverage wouldn't be nearly as sympathetic if she was is a fatty with severe acne or some shit so I imagine she is attractive. I hate the news, well american versions. It is horrible that I have to watch BBC to know what is going on in my country.

[The Ancient]

Seriously, fuck you guys. Might as well make this shit a gun rights thread.

Edit: This isn't in response to the actually on-topic posts above.

[Eomer]

On a completely unrelated note: Police seek groin-kicker after series of B.C. attacks

LANGLEY, B.C. — Police in Langley are investigating after a woman kicked a man in the groin so hard he lost a testicle — the latest in a series of similar assaults.

"I just want to know what her problem is," victim Anthony Clark, 22, said this week. "People like her shouldn't be on the streets."

That fucking sucks, but at the same time, I laughed the fuck out loud when I read those first couple sentences.

[Northerner]

Ok, I laughed as well in that unique cringing way we do regarding testicle injury and the completely random. Still, that messed up crotch attacker had best not miss that first shot.

[GorestabbCoE]

Originally Posted by Eomer

Guess what? Not every country has the same laws as the US, and in fact most don't allow you to kill someone in defense of your property. If someone is unarmed or trying to flee, you can't just shoot or knife them in the back.

A few years back a farmer in the UK was jailed for shooting someone who was burgling his home after a string of thefts without any police intervention.

I find it absolutely absurd that someone can be imprisoned at all, never mind for many years for defending an intrusion of their home by burglars.

If I woke up in the middle of the night to a stranger in my house I'd honestly likely be quite scared. As such, I don't think it would be unreasonable if I reacted violently.

The sad thing is with the justice system as it is, I would likely end up being in the wrong, and end up in prison/being sued by my burglar.

Originally Posted by Etoille

what is wrong with KIDS these days?

You're absolutely right there. When I was younger calling a bigger boy a dickhead etc meant having my skull caved in. Now kids think they can get away with anything because their elders/parents/teachers can't (not necessarily physically) touch them without legal intervention.

Originally Posted by Hatorade

Is she hot or have a nice rack?

I'd be willing to bet money it wouldn't be newsworthy if it was an ugly fatty.

[Voyce]

Originally Posted by Etoille

what is wrong with KIDS these days?

We can blame society as a whole, and the failure of the family unit individually.

I generally have liberal views, but it's pretty obvious a lot of our moral absolutes have been diluted into moral ambiguities. We are on the path to utilitarianism, you know, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." If we wander to far in one direction we will find ourselves less humans, and mere cogs in a system...as if we haven't already. We've gone so far as to industrialize ourselves, we build rules and systems and we let them control us, instead of benefiting us. We're saturated quite honestly...and likely prone to more, as we consume, produce, and fuel the system.

Are we suppose to be doing this? I'm not stupid enough to think that there is one solution, or that I could justify my own views as the genuine absolute. I just think as a whole, we need a serious kick in the crotch to bring us back to reality.

[Fammaden]

Originally Posted by Etoille

If you guys want to make changes in society it doesn't start with cutting dicks off on TV. It starts with choosing not to be a bystander yourself and not engaging in retarded shit that flows back to the concept that a woman is worth only what her looks dictate. Its not about being an internet white knight or dating someone you don't find to be attractive; its about not participating in the general douchebaggery when it comes to women that you all think each other less manly for if you don't.

I think lots of people would agree with your comments on young women. I wouldn't disagree that a lot of the problems do stem from a male dominated media/culture and glorification of sexuality etc. But at the same time if you want to get into perpetuation of these problems, you have to point the finger at your gender as well. I think it dishonest not to point out how much mimicking and role modeling goes on with girls as well. From their friends, older sisters, in many cases their mothers and mothers' friends.

Its a vicious cycle and maybe a chicken or the egg situation comes into play, but it also has to start to change somewhere on the female side. Asking men to think about how their behavior is one thing, but you girls still have a ton of power in gender relations, and not just between your legs. There has to be an effort to stop using your gender as a weapon and encouraging each other to act foolishly because it seems like the easiest way to get through life.

What I'm trying to say is there should be more strong female role models who encourage young women to act differently. But you could say the same thing for young males in many cases. And sadly I don't have much hope for radical changes in attitude on either side of the coin. I don't know anything about growing up female. But from an outsiders perspective, it doesn't seem like the influences causing problem attitudes in girls are solely passive coercion from male attitudes. There is strong active shaping going on from female peers as well, it might even be the strongest influence on development, but I'm not studied in any research on this subject either.

[Dumar]

Originally Posted by Etoille

stuffs

uh isn't it obvious? tl;dr version, your answer is 'american culture'.

[ChewieTobbacca]

Originally Posted by Fammaden

I think lots of people would agree with your comments on young women. I wouldn't disagree that a lot of the problems do stem from a male dominated media/culture and glorification of sexuality etc. But at the same time if you want to get into perpetuation of these problems, you have to point the finger at your gender as well. I think it dishonest not to point out how much mimicking and role modeling goes on with girls as well. From their friends, older sisters, in many cases their mothers and mothers' friends.

Its a vicious cycle and maybe a chicken or the egg situation comes into play, but it also has to start to change somewhere on the female side. Asking men to think about how their behavior is one thing, but you girls still have a ton of power in gender relations, and not just between your legs. There has to be an effort to stop using your gender as a weapon and encouraging each other to act foolishly because it seems like the easiest way to get through life.

What I'm trying to say is there should be more strong female role models who encourage young women to act differently. But you could say the same thing for young males in many cases. And sadly I don't have much hope for radical changes in attitude on either side of the coin. I don't know anything about growing up female. But from an outsiders perspective, it doesn't seem like the influences causing problem attitudes in girls are solely passive coercion from male attitudes. There is strong active shaping going on from female peers as well, it might even be the strongest influence on development, but I'm not studied in any research on this subject either.

Reminds me of that article I read where mothers are taking their 11 year-old daughters to salons for tanning, waxing, etc. Or those who are obsessed with beauty pageants and shit. She's fucking 11 years old!

There's a lot of blame to go everywhere. And mostly I blame bad parenting, which is a truly vicious cycle. Nothing quite like knowing 22 year olds with multiple kids, working multiple jobs, who in a few years will be unable to take care of those kids / parent them properly and they fall back in the same loop.

[krax]

Originally Posted by Etoille

...If you guys want to make changes in society...

I think you might be a bit confused as to where you are. This is a MMO forum. Rape? you couldn't drag us out of our mom's basement to even talk to a girl. We don't have enough friends for a proper gang rape. We are far to socially awkward to loose our virginity in front of a large group like that. And please stop vilifying the PGT. It's the only time we get to see a girl naked.

Judging by the names of the arrested, you might want to swing by a low-rider forum or something like that to spread the message. As for the accused, hopefully being gang raped in prison for several years will help them to see the error of their ways.

[EmiliaEQ]

Anyone else thinking the bitch had it coming and was asking for it ?

As for the "not helping" well the perpetrators might be armed & dangerous, and
under no condition would any sane person get involded with the law.

Here is an amazing example of why you should ALWAYS be blind & deaf.

abstention volontaire de porter assistance à une personne en péril

Quiconque pouvant empêcher par son action immédiate, sans risque pour lui ou pour les tiers, soit un crime, soit un délit contre l'intégrité corporelle de la personne s'abstient volontairement de le faire est puni de cinq ans d'emprisonnement et de 75 000 euros d'amende.
Sera puni des mêmes peines quiconque s'abstient volontairement de porter à une personne en péril l'assistance que, sans risque pour lui ou pour les tiers, il pouvait lui prêter soit par son action personnelle, soit en provoquant un secours.

Basically if you see someone in danger/trouble and there is no risk to yourself or someone else, if you do not do anything, you might be punishable for up to 5 years imprisonement and 75.000€ fine.

So instead of having a cop breathing down your neck "why didnt you do something sooner" or "why didnt you do this/that"
or having a lawsuit because you tried and fucked up, its a lot wiser to just get the hell out of there.

[Zitar]

YouTube - Rapper Cam'ron On Snitching (CBS News)

Snitches get stitches!!!!!! Prison/gang culture is now main steam. Being a good samaritan in the ghetto doesn't work out very well.

[jayrebb]

Originally Posted by Zitar

Prison/gang culture is now mainstream.

More than most of you realize. Gang culture has a strong hold on young America, its settled especially well into the middle class.

[Bralkan]

Ya, cause people didn't lynch mofos or anything back in the day.

Communities are violent. Shit isn't any different. It may be more exposed because it sure does sell the shit out of some advertisements.

This is talking out of my ass, but I'd like to compare numbers of pre-civil rights violence to now. That is assuming there is even any good data from then.