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[Tuco]

Originally Posted by TheCutlery

episiotomy

No one has ever been so effective at convincing me not to do things Tuco-style as you have with this one word.

Originally Posted by Mkopec1

Yeah my wife basically found out she could not have kids vaginally because her pelvic opening was not large enough. Needless to say, back in the day, before C-sections, she and the child would of probably died. And if you count the amount of C-sections performed yearly, you quickly realize how dangerous childbirth is.

My sister has the same situation and had 3 kids by Cesarean. I told her she should just install a zipper but whatever. I chose my wife because her hips are massive so we'll see if she needs one.

[TheCutlery]

Originally Posted by Tuco

No one has ever been so effective at convincing me not to do things Tuco-style as you have with this one word.

Hehe, yeah man, I don't even have the associated parts, and I cringed for days when she told me that story.

No.
Fucking.
Thanks.

Originally Posted by Ronaan

Wife always wanted a planned c-section, I'm all against it.

I think it's not too late to convince her that having that kind of surgery "just because it's cleaner and more comfortable" is a stupid idea.

It is not more comfortable at all. Anyone who's had a hernia or an appendectomy will tell you that any time you gotta go through abdominal muscles to do anything, there's a fuckload of pain and recovery associated with it. The vagina is designed to do it's task, it goes back to normal pretty quick. The muscles covering your body ain't designed to be moved outta the way to let a baby out.

[Lord Commander Chaos]

Child birth has become such a mythic, painful thing in our society that many women imagine c-sections to be the better alternative. Seeing my wife have to recover, I would definitely take issue with that.

[Aldarion_Shard]

This idea that because c-sections are done a lot in this country, all those women would be in danger without the c-sections, is obviously false.

European and American women are genetically and culturally nearly identical, but theres a huge difference in the number of c-sections performed (we do way too many in the US). The European women dont die as a result -- turns out childbirth works afterall (shocker, vaginas can perform their function!)

fun fact, recent studies show that children born by c-section dont have normal intestinal flora, and dont recover for about 2-3 years.

c-sections should be done only in emergencies. Currently we do c-sections so doctors can get home by dinnertime. Not the way to do this.

[Moontayle]

Originally Posted by meStevo

Heh, my wife had a regular delivery at the hospital with no drugs. Never underestimate the will of a redhead. She did waver a little towards the end but by then it was too late. Thankfully she was only in labor all of 7.5 hours, and really only miserable for a couple hours, pushed for 3 contractions and done.

56 hours. Started on December 31st, ended on January 2nd. Didn't even go past 4 centimeters for the first thirty hours either. Eventually hooked her into the induction medicine and by mid afternoon she was ready to go. Ultimately had to do a C-section because her pelvic bone was shaped oddly and the baby couldn't come through.

Sister had her 2nd in December, because she had to have an unplanned C-section her first time, the doctor planned one for her second, a fairly standard thing I was told.

Pretty much. I mean, some women go for VBAC but in some cases it's not possible. For our second child, once contractions hit, the baby was out less than two hours later.

Since this is also the "parents talking about kids" thread, I'll offer the following. Had my son assessed by a child psychologist a few weeks ago because of concerns of our own plus now having two different teachers (Pre-K last year and K this year) talking about the same behaviors. Basically, trouble concentrating on tasks, general language barriers and issues with communication, and some pretty hardcore shyness/anti-social stuff. Got the results from the assessment last week.

The first part was a need to address the language barrier and communication issues. The second was an ADHD diagnosis that, after further discussion and reading, seems to be spot on. We think the anti-social stuff will resolve itself naturally (and with some help on our part), once the communication issues are dealt with as the crux of that issue seems to be his inability to verbally communicate with people effectively along with sometimes not understand what people are saying. We have an appointment with his teacher and the counselor at the school next week to get them involved with speech therapy and get an evaluation on their end. The ADHD will help him get some compensations (they can't take away PE/Recess as a punishment) and going into the 504 program will better arm the teacher with ways in which to engage him on their activities.

Of course, on the flip side of this, my daughter is as normal as you could possibly get. It's almost jarring, how different they are in personality.

[Adebisi the Onion Knight]

We have a midwife. Wouldn't do it any other way.

Birthing in America looks fucked up to me. This I gather from watching multiple episodes of 16 and Pregnant, and Teen Mom 1 and 2.

• Scheduling when a birth should take place
• Doctors constantly pumping these girls wth Pitocin
• Epidurals when there's not even a cm dilation
• C-sections for everyone!

Good job Doctors of America. Good job.

[Sharmai]

Originally Posted by Adebisi the Onion Knight

We have a midwife. Wouldn't do it any other way.

Birthing in America looks fucked up to me. This I gather from watching multiple episodes of 16 and Pregnant, and Teen Mom 1 and 2.

• Scheduling when a birth should take place
• Doctors constantly pumping these girls wth Pitocin
• Epidurals when there's not even a cm dilation
• C-sections for everyone!

Good job Doctors of America. Good job.

Exaggerate much? Are you one of those homeopaths/nature lovers/good ole natural birthing days type people?

[Adebisi the Onion Knight]

Originally Posted by Sharmai

Exaggerate much? Are you one of those homeopaths/nature lovers/good ole natural birthing days type people?

Just calling it like I see it...

...On Teen Mom 1 and 2, and 16 and Pregnant.

[Sharmai]

Well that's tv and in fairly certain they cut out hours of footage and that 16 year old girls face different kinds of risks having natural births.

Even so I see nothing wrong with scheduled births or c sections. It's completely optional and between a mother and her doctor. In fact so is the Pitocin. As for the epidural part well all I have is anecdotal evidence and from my own experience they didn't give my wife an epidural till she was WELL dialated and even waited too long on the second birth. But women commonly have strokes from the pain of birth along with a host of other problems so bring on the drugs.

Also natural birth is very dangerous.

[Laven]

The fact that you watch those shows makes me want to punch you.

[ToeMissile]

Actually had a bit of a conversation w/ my in laws about this. They're both doctors and a doctor friend of theirs who has worked in both the north and south ends of Orange County. Basically she was saying how in the south (read: where all the rich people live), the people are all about c-sections and planning things for a specific date/convenience etc, and up in the north (read much more mixed/not filthy rich demographic) births are much less likely to be c-sections.

[Adebisi the Onion Knight]

Originally Posted by Laven

The fact that you watch those shows makes me want to punch you.

Wife watches them before bed, but I won't lie... I'll put down whatever badass fantasy novel I'm reading just to watch the 19 year old girl (whose mother takes care of all her gangbang spawn for her) beat up her homeless boyfriend because he didn't take the drug charges for both of them.

Pro-life at work.

[Ameraves]

My wife had a c-section for both births, but neither were really planned.

For the first one the baby she had stopped growing very much by the end and they were concerned about her size. So my wife had to go in for monitoring twice a week. At one of the monitoring sessions they weren't really happy with the heartbeat so decided they needed to get the baby out.

For the twins the doctor told her up front that they wouldn't let her go past 38 weeks. So had she gone into labor before then she could of had them naturally, but if not they wanted to get them out. She went to 38 weeks without a hint of contractions, so they scheduled a c-section for them as well.

[meStevo]

My son started crawling (forward) tonight for the first time, so awesome.

[Lord Commander Chaos]

Originally Posted by Moontayle

Of course, on the flip side of this, my daughter is as normal as you could possibly get. It's almost jarring, how different they are in personality.

We're dealing with a similar situation. My oldest daughter is perfectly normal, has always been hitting milestones early and often. We're talking about private schools for her (at least the possibility) and working with her on learning to read and write and she turns 3 next month. Meanwhile, our 18 month old isn't talking, she is having some issues with attention and fine motor skills. We've got some doctors thinking it is hearing related, so we're working on that. She had tubes put in her ears yesterday, which was jarring for me. She was ok but little things, like they didn't tell me I couldn't be with her for the procedure. But it is kind of shocking to look at the differences between them, we've done things more or less the same with both and they couldn't be more different.