Charlie Sheen demands answers concerning 9/11

[Eomer]

Powerful stupid.

[Warrian]

yknits
eats paste

No doubt about that.

[Picasso]

Finally someone we can all hate




besides me.

[Torrid]

Wow. It's amazing how people want to believe something so badly, that they just outright ignore any evidence contrary to their delusions even when it is clearly presented and put in front of them. Usually these people just put their fingers in their ears and scream lalalala, but yknits is actually reading posts.

I'm curious if people reach a point where admitting wrong would be so humiliating -- after realizing that they've been arguing nonsense for so long -- that they just sort of continue the fallacy for the sake of ego. I'm not certain what would be more sad: that or going your entire life believing that shadow organizations bent on world domination are controlling everybody's life and that the "sheeple" won't listen to what you think is the obvious truth. Must drive you guys crazy.

[Eomer]

Originally Posted by Torrid

Wow. It's amazing how people want to believe something so badly, that they just outright ignore any evidence contrary to their delusions even when it is clearly presented and put in front of them. Usually these people just put their fingers in their ears and scream lalalala, but yknits is actually reading posts.

I'm curious if people reach a point where admitting wrong would be so humiliating -- after realizing that they've been arguing nonsense for so long -- that they just sort of continue the fallacy for the sake of ego. I'm not certain what would be more sad: that or going your entire life believing that shadow organizations bent on world domination are controlling everybody's life and that the "sheeple" won't listen to what you think is the obvious truth. Must drive you guys crazy.

Cognitive dissonance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also

Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Torrid]

Originally Posted by Eomer

Also

Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I linked that to you once before regarding an Astrocreep post. It's amusingly subtle, isn't it? Almost as good as the old, "I believe in intellectual osmosis, so I must depart from your presence" line. I honor your valiant sacrifices, Eomer and Screamfeeder.

[Soygen]

Originally Posted by Eomer

Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hah. That explains Sam Deathwalker.

[yknits]

Originally Posted by Screamfeeder

Well, I did link a few bits of information that proved that Towers 1, 2 and 7 did not fall as the result of controlled thermite explosions placed on their supporting pillars which was pretty much the entire crux of your posting in this thread.

But yeah, other that, I didn't really do much.

I love how you take liberties with your "I win." Yes, the explanations about channel cuts during cleanup are reasonable... however, was the debris, aside from Jones, tested for explosives?

Second, my argument cant be lumped into an all or nothing argument your making. Thermite debunked? Maybe. Where did all that material go? Who tested it? I concede the photo pic is one I've read talked about. I've seen others but that is the main one. I've read about it being cut from workers before as well. The problem I have is the method.

Thirdly, No you didn't do much. You linked material that makes reasonable assertions for PART of your argument. WTC 1&2 falling near free fall? Sure... maybe. WTC7? Still up in the air? Thermite being used? Wouldn't normal procedure have had pieces of the building tested?

I've said it before, I'll eat my words. But before that happens your going to have to keep going. You've made 2 reasonable arguments surrounding a much bigger issue.

Maybe many of us "crazies" wouldn't be so skeptical if public officials didn't make statements such as...

“One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up”.

or

"I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described," John Farmer, a former New Jersey attorney general who led the staff inquiry into events on Sept. 11, said in a recent interview. "The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. . . . This is not spin. This is not true."

[Picasso]

Originally Posted by yknits

WTC 1&2 falling near free fall? Sure... maybe.

I thought they fell at just above free fall?

[Screamfeeder]

Originally Posted by yknits

I love how you take liberties with your "I win." Yes, the explanations about channel cuts during cleanup are reasonable... however, was the debris, aside from Jones, tested for explosives?

They were not tested for thermite because that would have been as useful as testing them for trace amounts of human hair. The reaction substances of thermite are aluminum, iron oxide, iron and aluminum oxide which can all be traced to thousands of things insides of all the buildings during their collapse.

There are a ton of "reports" (most made by people like Stephen Jones) showing small micro pictures of iron balls or micron sized chips of actual thermate. The problem with that, is that given the amount of reaction substance and the resulting chemicals, you would need upwards of 100lbs per support to induce any kind of controlled demolition. If that was the case then HUGE amounts of these chemicals would be found all over...well everything surrounding all three buildings for at least 600 meters. The NIST report stated that.

Originally Posted by yknits

Thirdly, No you didn't do much. You linked material that makes reasonable assertions for PART of your argument. WTC 1&2 falling near free fall? Sure... maybe. WTC7? Still up in the air? Thermite being used? Wouldn't normal procedure have had pieces of the building tested?

No WTC 7 is not still up in the air as the above linked NIST report clearly demonstrates. The use of thermite also has a reasonable explanation above as indicated not only by the NIST report.

Originally Posted by yknits

I've said it before, I'll eat my words. But before that happens your going to have to keep going. You've made 2 reasonable arguments surrounding a much bigger issue.

I got no problem going on. I get paid to explain stuff to people for a living and generally it's not as simple as this.

Originally Posted by yknits

Maybe many of us "crazies" wouldn't be so skeptical if public officials didn't make statements such as...

But wait, I thought you didn't trust the government? Why do you trust those guys? You got a quote from a United States Senator AND a former Attorney General? Aren't they the "bad guys"?

There is also this...

Originally Posted by United States Senator Mark Pryor on the subject of Evolution

Clearly the scientific community is divided.

So a public official made a statement that the scientific community is divided on evolution. So, does that mean I should support the "crazies" because of what he says, or because of what is actually true?

[Zhaun's_Shade]

Originally Posted by Screamfeeder

There are a ton of "reports" (most made by people like Stephen Jones) showing small micro pictures of iron balls or micron sized chips of actual thermate. The problem with that, is that given the amount of reaction substance and the resulting chemicals, you would need upwards of 100lbs per support to induce any kind of controlled demolition. If that was the case then HUGE amounts of these chemicals would be found all over...well everything surrounding all three buildings for at least 600 meters. The NIST report stated that.

They used "super seekrit military special ops thermite". noob.

[Screamfeeder]

Originally Posted by Zhaun's_Shade

They used "super seekrit military special ops thermite". noob.

Don't fuck up the flow. His next post is going to talk about the supposed nano-thermite and I got the reports on that all lined up.

ZHAUN'S_SHADE, THIS IS NOT 'NAM. THIS IS INTERNET DEBATE. THERE ARE RULES.

[Zhaun's_Shade]

Originally Posted by Screamfeeder

Don't fuck up the flow. His next post is going to talk about the supposed nano-thermite and I got the reports on that all lined up.

ZHAUN'S_SHADE, THIS IS NOT 'NAM. THIS IS INTERNET DEBATE. THERE ARE RULES.

I'm sorry for jumping the gun sir!

[Eomer]

Originally Posted by Soygen

Hah. That explains everyone but me. And Stephen Hawking.

Fixed.

Originally Posted by Screamfeeder

ZHAUN'S_SHADE, THIS IS NOT 'NAM. THIS IS INTERNET DEBATE. THERE ARE RULES.

No one ever gets that when I use it IRL, it's always so disappointing they don't catch the reference.

[Strifen]

Care to explain the multiple instances of insider trading on the days leading up to 9/11 ? An abnormally large amount of put options were placed on companies that were going to suffer from 9/11 and call options on companies that would benefit. United Airlines and American Airlines had almost 25 times the normal put:call ratio the week leading up to 9/11. Raytheon, the main manufacturer of tomahawk and cruise missiles, saw a huge number of call options the day before 9/11, and after 9/11 their stock made huge gains. Morgan Stanley, and Merrill Lynch who both had office buildings in WT 1/2 also had an abnormal number of put options on their stock. There are many anomaly's with the financial markets on the days leading up to 9/11.