Robert Novak dead at 78

AladainAF · 08-18-2009, 10:26 AM

Robert Novak, dead. 1931-2009.

Columnist Robert D. Novak dies after battle with cancer | Washington Examiner

Sunder · 08-18-2009, 10:28 AM

R.I.P.
He was a good man.

Haus · 08-18-2009, 11:53 AM

here's a great quote from him from one of the articles I read today.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Novak

Always love your country — but never trust your government!

That should not be misunderstood. I certainly am not advocating civil disobedience, must less insurrection or rebellion. What I am advocating is to not expect too much from government and be wary of it power, even the power of a democratic government in a free country.

Ours is one of the mildest, most benevolent governments in the world. But it too has the power to take your wealth and forfeit your life. ... A government that can give you everything can take everything away.

He was a good man, and one who was hated by people on both sides of the political spectrum because he wasn't afraid to shine a light either direction.

Soriak · 08-18-2009, 01:32 PM

Also the guy who leaked Valeria Plame's name, no?

Havelock · 08-18-2009, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soriak

Also the guy who leaked Valeria Plame's name, no?

He's a journalist; leaks are sources. He didn't leak anything. He did run the story, though.

Mist · 08-18-2009, 01:38 PM

A dead douchebag is still a douchebag. The guy is a traitor and just an all around terrible person.

Mimirswell · 08-19-2009, 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Havelock

He's a journalist; leaks are sources. He didn't leak anything. He did run the story, though.

He was complicit in the outing of a covert operative of the United States. Whether you call it a leak or not is semantic bullshit.

Astrocreep · 08-19-2009, 03:52 AM

too bad she wasnt covert at the time. nobody, not even scooter libby was charged with that crime.
RIP R Novak

Mimirswell · 08-19-2009, 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astrocreep

too bad she wasnt covert at the time. nobody, not even scooter libby was charged with that crime.
RIP R Novak

Wikipedia disagrees:

On July 14, 2003, Washington Post journalist Robert Novak effectively ended Valerie Plame's career with the CIA (from which she later resigned in December 2005) by revealing her identity as a CIA operative in his column.[27][28] Legal documents published in the course of the CIA leak grand jury investigation, United States v. Libby, and Congressional investigations, fully establish her classified employment as a covert officer for the CIA at the time that Novak's column was published in July 2003.[28][29][30]

BurnemWizfyre · 08-19-2009, 04:15 AM

Ethics in journalism required, politicians don't need to have it apparently or even be held responsible for treason.

Astrocreep · 08-19-2009, 04:32 AM

scooter libby was not convicted for revealing valerie plames identity, sure the talking point was that she was covert but she was inactive and being photographed in public. that means she was not a covert agent. please continue to pursue this 6 year old myth, but at least you cant say nobody tried to set you straight on those pesky facts

Mimirswell · 08-19-2009, 04:47 AM

No one but you brought up Scooter Libby and I have no intention of discussing him nor is he the least bit relevant to whether or not Robert Novac posted a op-ed that outed Valerie Plume. You are free to bring up the well treaded argument of whether or not she should of been considered covert; but the CIA still considered her covert and that pretty much settles the debate of whether he did or didn't out a CIA operative. I don't expect a troll like you to stop your mindless ranting but those are the "pesky facts".

Locithon · 08-19-2009, 05:31 AM

I thought Richard Armitage is the one who leaked Plames name?

Eomer · 08-19-2009, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astrocreep

scooter libby was not convicted for revealing valerie plames identity, sure the talking point was that she was covert but she was inactive and being photographed in public. that means she was not a covert agent. please continue to pursue this 6 year old myth, but at least you cant say nobody tried to set you straight on those pesky facts

Someone can be photographed in public and still be a covert agent, you fucking moron. Most CIA agents aren't how they're portrayed in the movies. They appear to be normal people living normal lives working for normal companies, which is what Plame was. Outing her as agent endangered anyone who had associated with her in the past, or at least opened them up to suspicion. What kind of chilling effect would that have on other people considering either working for the CIA, or working with a CIA agent?

Quote:

I thought Richard Armitage is the one who leaked Plames name?

He and a couple others did to Novak, who published the article.

Tristinn · 08-19-2009, 10:08 AM

This thread is almost as full of shit as Robert Novak was.

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08-18-2009, 01:32 PM	#4 (permalink)
Soriak Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 5,832 +54 Internets	Also the guy who leaked Valeria Plame's name, no?

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Astrocreep Flings doodoo and poopoo Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 5,732	too bad she wasnt covert at the time. nobody, not even scooter libby was charged with that crime. RIP R Novak

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BurnemWizfyre Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ingleside Texas Posts: 971 -34 Internets	Ethics in journalism required, politicians don't need to have it apparently or even be held responsible for treason.

08-19-2009, 04:32 AM	#11 (permalink)
Astrocreep Flings doodoo and poopoo Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 5,732	scooter libby was not convicted for revealing valerie plames identity, sure the talking point was that she was covert but she was inactive and being photographed in public. that means she was not a covert agent. please continue to pursue this 6 year old myth, but at least you cant say nobody tried to set you straight on those pesky facts

08-19-2009, 04:47 AM	#12 (permalink)
Mimirswell ex scientia lux Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,122	No one but you brought up Scooter Libby and I have no intention of discussing him nor is he the least bit relevant to whether or not Robert Novac posted a op-ed that outed Valerie Plume. You are free to bring up the well treaded argument of whether or not she should of been considered covert; but the CIA still considered her covert and that pretty much settles the debate of whether he did or didn't out a CIA operative. I don't expect a troll like you to stop your mindless ranting but those are the "pesky facts".

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Locithon Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 438 -16 Internets	I thought Richard Armitage is the one who leaked Plames name?