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Old 10-26-2009, 01:20 PM   #1291 (permalink)
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Senator Reid is about to announce that he is sending a couple of public option with the Senate Health Care bill to the CBO.

Edit: He prefers the "Opt-Out" version.

Edit2: He says he's confident that after the CBO scores the Senate Plan he will have 60 votes.

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Old 10-26-2009, 01:25 PM   #1292 (permalink)
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And why do you think that is? Furthermore, why are new school startups so few and far in between?

I mean, it's as simple as just designating a room, filling it with desks and throwing the students in it, right?
It's because of the cost, not because of the quality of the applicants nor the lack of professors. All you need is to change one number on some bill somewhere and you'll magicaly increase the number of doctors.

Again, this is a short term funding problem, not a problem of finding people sufficiently educated to attend med school. There's plenty of reasons why a privately funded med schools won't solve this problem (or far too slowly to see it in our lifetime), so the only way is for the government to invest in healthcare, and among the possible investment, getting more doctors is certainly one of the best it could do (except for the existing doctors...).

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Old 10-26-2009, 01:34 PM   #1293 (permalink)
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First time in history I agree with Lyenae.

A good surgeon is like a minor deity. I know a guy who is a pediatric heart surgeon at Yale. I resist the urge to genuflect when I see him. If anyone deserves to be riding around in a 200k Benz... its him.\

For engineers there are massive amounts of checks and points where errors can be corrected... for a guy repairing the damaged heart of a 1 year old... there is nothing between his hand and life itself.
Yes but doctors <> surgeons. Surgeons are the elite of doctors, and as such they should be getting paid as such. Most doctors are diagnosticians who refer to surgeons, or are outpatient surgeons with little real risk during surgery.

Surgeons sure they deserve a premium, but to argue that doctors in general are three times as valuable as engineers is skewing the perception of Doctors towards the high end while ignoring all the things engineers do for us.
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Old 10-26-2009, 01:48 PM   #1294 (permalink)
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God dont you people get sick of hearing yourselves talk?

Its the same arguments over and over and over again. I don't think that anyone here is going to convince anyone else that their opinion even has merit.

I realize this is the second thread thats been hijacked but can we talk about something else related to national politics now?

Like the situation in Afghanistan or Pakistan? The economy?
Bitch I made an Afghanistan thread.
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Old 10-26-2009, 02:31 PM   #1295 (permalink)
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Some interesting number facts on the evil empire known as insurance companies.

2.2% profit margin last year OMG

FACT CHECK: Health insurers' profits 35th of 53 - Yahoo! News

P.S. It's an AP article to whichever numbnuts is thinking "omg yahoo is a credible source!"
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Old 10-26-2009, 02:33 PM   #1296 (permalink)
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Old 10-26-2009, 03:05 PM   #1297 (permalink)
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Oh for those "The insurance companies are getting massive profits and are bastards!" folks..

FACT CHECK: Health insurer profits not so fat - Yahoo! News
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Its the same arguments over and over and over again.
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Some interesting number facts on the evil empire known as insurance companies.

2.2% profit margin last year OMG

FACT CHECK: Health insurers' profits 35th of 53 - Yahoo! News

P.S. It's an AP article to whichever numbnuts is thinking "omg yahoo is a credible source!"
:what_the_hell:

EDIT - After further review, I am impressed that Yahoo! posted the same article, nearly verbatim, on consecutive days. But the headlines are different, I guess. Maybe their Business and Politics sections have different editors, or don't communicate, or something. But beyond the "HUR DUR WHAT HAPPENED 2 PAGES AGO" shenanigans, hey guys, I guess the media is pretty retarded in whatever direction it wants to stumble into.

How. Fucking. Interesting.
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Old 10-26-2009, 03:10 PM   #1298 (permalink)
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I haven't been following this thread very closely, sorry I posted a link to something from 2 pages ago.

If you don't like it: go fuck yourself.
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Old 10-26-2009, 03:40 PM   #1299 (permalink)
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Some interesting number facts on the evil empire known as insurance companies.

2.2% profit margin last year OMG

FACT CHECK: Health insurers' profits 35th of 53 - Yahoo! News

P.S. It's an AP article to whichever numbnuts is thinking "omg yahoo is a credible source!"
They are selling something you HAVE to have if you want medical treatment in this country. They shouldn't even be considered next to most of the players in the economy, but then that is a point that has been made over and over and over and over....
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Old 10-26-2009, 03:48 PM   #1300 (permalink)
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Want more doctors? Subsidize their education (same goes with nurses as they are becoming more and more "doctory" as time goes on; granted, many fail out of both schools. Why this country thinks education starts at college is beyond me).

If not, we pay them lots.
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Old 10-26-2009, 04:21 PM   #1301 (permalink)
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Want more doctors? Subsidize their education (same goes with nurses as they are becoming more and more "doctory" as time goes on; granted, many fail out of both schools. Why this country thinks education starts at college is beyond me).

If not, we pay them lots.
But we can't do that! Lyanae says subsidies are evil!
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Old 10-26-2009, 05:09 PM   #1302 (permalink)
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And why do you think that is? Furthermore, why are new school startups so few and far in between?
Because the AMA limits the amount of acredited schools. Federal funding limits the amount of residency spots.

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Old 10-26-2009, 07:13 PM   #1303 (permalink)
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Senator Reid is about to announce that he is sending a couple of public option with the Senate Health Care bill to the CBO.

Edit: He prefers the "Opt-Out" version.

Edit2: He says he's confident that after the CBO scores the Senate Plan he will have 60 votes.
This is gonna be years of comedy gold if it actually passes with an opt out option.

How you can be against allowing health providers to compete across state lines, yet be for states to opt out of the public option is beyond me.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:20 PM   #1304 (permalink)
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The reason anyone is against health insurance companies providing services across state lines is because they would all congregate in the state with the least tax and or regulation. They also currently have an exemption from anti-trust laws which more than likely will be removed before too long.

Edit: Apparently, states have until 2014 to "opt-out" of the public option and everyone is expecting the CBO to score the Senate bill + public option quite well.

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Old 10-26-2009, 07:30 PM   #1305 (permalink)
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They are selling something you HAVE to have if you want medical treatment in this country.
Maybe that's part of the problem. Why does medical treatment cost so much that you HAVE to have insurance in order to be able to get treatment. If this reform is really about lowering health care costs for people that should be getting addressed rather than "how do we get more people on insurance plans".
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