Apple to Microsoft: "Stop airing those commercials"

[Blumpster]

Apple hasn't innovated anything. It's a yuppy douchebag company catering to yuppy douchebags. It is the fucking Nazi regime of technology companies disguising itself in a glossy veneer of hip and cool tones to attract people longing to fit in. The same people who buy name brand clothing with its label plastered every where. They deal in style to mask the fact they are the most restrictive technology company in the world. iTunes and the iPod are a pile of shit, as is the iPhone. iPhone did nothing new or innvovative. It is the fucking game gear of next gen phones. Big color screen and a snazzy name to make sound like you are really cool because it's yourPhone. Give me a break, go buy some fucking Abercrombie and Old Navy and go back to high school you pile of dog ass. If you buy Apple shit you are gay.

[Mageling]

Originally Posted by Araxen

I wish they would make a mp3 player that didn't include the flash memory and you could just buy that separate. SD cards are dirt cheap and it's a little ridiculous how much these companies charge for 8GB devices. That said the Cowon is pretty nice looking device...

Newegg.com - COWON S9 3.3" 8GB MP3 / MP4 Player

My G1 was a kickass phone and with the Hero OS was a pretty badass mp3 player as well as accepting up to 16gb Class 6 micro sd cards.

I'm just bitter that I can't use that phone with 3G on my AT&T network for work since I just managed to get Exchange 2003 playing nicely with it.


I do find it convenient how Sheaf completely glosses over the fact that trying to move information from an ipod/iphone an a fucking dealbreaker for most people if they have more than one computer.

Fuck, let me at least sign in the same itunes account to all of my computers and just drag and drop what music I want on there. Seriously. My work laptop only has a 60gb drive on it and I house too much SQL shit on there to throw another 20-25gb worth of music on there just so I can use that as my "main" itunes sync location since I'm on this machine FAR more than my home system. But fuck me if this thing ever dies, or we do an upgrade to our systems (which is coming soon since this machine is EOL very soon)

How can you say that these are so innovative when you're only allowing the Apple designers (for the most part) design themes or UI elements for the iphones? This is something that Google/HTC has done correctly. Working alongside real world people that can cook up ROMs with exactly what you want/need in it, build a beautiful UI in comparison, and still not suck up as much battery life as the iphone.

I'm focusing mostly on mobile devices as it's what I've had the most experience with and people obviously more knowledgeable about hardware are speaking to how it's just plain silly that someone is arguing that Intel is giving Apple the magic special CPUs from their line.

I hate to say it, but the burden of proof that Apple does get these uber leet Intel chips is on your end Sheaf. Find us some fucking proof that this happens and I'm sure you can "win" this interweb conversation, but until that point, you're sitting in that terrible position as people who argue that Jesus exists.

[Sheaf]

Originally Posted by Luthair

Batteries? Don't be ridiculous, Apple buys their batteries from other companies, hence the recall a couple years back on the batteries from Sony. The 1000+ recharge cycle batteries have been around for a while for consumers (AA, etc.), and HP started offering them at the start of the year.

Apple has actually been one of the leaders for sealed batteries, but more importantly have software that extends its use beyond what other companies are able to achieve. So yes, they are innovating in that regard too.

Review: Sealed-In Batteries in New Apple MacBook Pros | Walt Mossberg | Personal Technology | AllThingsD

So again, I don't see anyone touting a single other company as being more innovative in laptop design than Apple. Anyone?

Unibody, battery, trackpad, and don't forget the awesome magnetic power connector which has saved my laptop from tumbling to the floor a number of times.

[Cad]

Of course it says right in your article that Dell has the same technology in their high end laptop.

You like Apple, we get it. All of the things you like are unquantifiable preferences or styling choices. You're not going to convince people of anything aside from the fact that you are a raging fanboy.

[Sheaf]

Originally Posted by Mageling

I do find it convenient how Sheaf completely glosses over the fact that trying to move information from an ipod/iphone an a fucking dealbreaker for most people if they have more than one computer.

Except that I talked about it... It sucks, but it's also probably because Apple was strongarmed by the record companies back when Apple obtained access to more music than anyone else. But I'm not sure how that's pertinent to the discussion of innovation, since iTunes was the first major piece of software to sync music on digital players.

Apple didn't win the early battles for digital music players through marketing or their fanboy hype. Neither really existed at that point anyways. They won because iPods were superior and iTunes was the best (at the time) way to sync music to that kind of device.

Originally Posted by Mageling

I hate to say it, but the burden of proof that Apple does get these uber leet Intel chips is on your end Sheaf. Find us some fucking proof that this happens and I'm sure you can "win" this interweb conversation, but until that point, you're sitting in that terrible position as people who argue that Jesus exists.

But I don't really care about "winning". I know it's an uphill battle against MS fanboys on a PC gaming forum. My friend does indeed do this as part of his job at Apple.

[Luthair]

Originally Posted by Sheaf

Apple has actually been one of the leaders for sealed batteries, but more importantly have software that extends its use beyond what other companies are able to achieve. So yes, they are innovating in that regard too.

Review: Sealed-In Batteries in New Apple MacBook Pros | Walt Mossberg | Personal Technology | AllThingsD

So again, I don't see anyone touting a single other company as being more innovative in laptop design than Apple. Anyone?

Unibody, battery, trackpad, and don't forget the awesome magnetic power connector which has saved my laptop from tumbling to the floor a number of times.

Sealed in batteries aren't a positive, its simply another step by Apple in an effort to remove user serviceable parts. The article is also stupid, the only reason batteries aren't often replaced is because all OEMs overcharge on replacements by a large margin in an effort to drive sales of new devices. What we really need are standardized batteries amongst OEMs, but we all know that won't happen without legislation.

[Cad]

Originally Posted by Sheaf

Except that I talked about it... It sucks, but it's also probably because Apple was strongarmed by the record companies back when Apple obtained access to more music than anyone else. But I'm not sure how that's pertinent to the discussion of innovation, since iTunes was the first major piece of software to sync music on digital players.

Apple didn't win the early battles for digital music players through marketing or their fanboy hype. Neither really existed at that point anyways. They won because iPods were superior and iTunes was the best (at the time) way to sync music to that kind of device.

I don't get this whole "best way to sync music" argument. Pop card in reader. open reader. Drag music to card. Pop card back in player. Off you go. Why do you need all that apple bullshit?

[Simas]

Apple and PC are the same chic, just Apple has makeup on. Then apple fan boys try to say she fucks better because shes wearing makeup.

[Lenaldo]

Itunes annoys the shit outa me. Apple should have a txt file for each user that has pointers to the songs that you have legally downloaded. this way when I reformat my computer I can redownload all the songs automatically when I reload Itunes. Instead, when I reformat all my songs magically become PIRATED and its a pain in the fucking ass to resync my ipod. Even if I backup and trasnsfer the files they are still listed as "not purchased".

[Dis]

The fact that Sheaf turned off his internets is disappointing.

[Horse]

Fuck the actual cost of the apple hardware, I think the design and standardization is worth the cost.

The real thing that MS should be attacking is how the rate of apple's product cycle gives customers diarrhea, and it is not/hardly upgradable on top of that.

You can literally just throw out an older mac if you need to keep up to date with the software, because of how it requires specific OS and the OS require specific pieces of hardware. I think that's the snare, where you end up not only using old hardware, but you have an old OS running old software on it ... magnifies the attractiveness of some simple new feature in software you can't run.

PCs are nowhere near as bad, especially with all of the various hacks that streamline the OS. There are already some new windows builds that rival performance of windows 98 which is a heroic feat.



I think the only thing in existence with a worse product cycle is Adobe and even they've slowed down a bit because they're running out of valid upgrades ...

Being a designer and having to deal with Apple + Adobe's cycle is disgusting. I think there have already been more major versions of InDesign released in 1999 than Quark released in 1987... and that's not counting that InDesign is really just Aldus' pagemaker from 1985 -> Adobe Pagemaker 1994, etc.

[Horse]

Originally Posted by Lenaldo

Itunes annoys the shit outa me. Apple should have a txt file for each user that has pointers to the songs that you have legally downloaded. this way when I reformat my computer I can redownload all the songs automatically when I reload Itunes. Instead, when I reformat all my songs magically become PIRATED and its a pain in the fucking ass to resync my ipod. Even if I backup and trasnsfer the files they are still listed as "not purchased".

There is an XML file workaround that allows you to sync multiple computers to the same itunes/ipod/iphone...

How To Sync Your iPhone To Multiple Computers : iSmashPhone

maybe that will keep that info as well? No idea :<

[Horse]

Originally Posted by Mageling

I do find it convenient how Sheaf completely glosses over the fact that trying to move information from an ipod/iphone an a fucking dealbreaker for most people if they have more than one computer.

This is bullshit and anyone who in interested in tinkering can get around it. As soon as google comes out with a media shop that has made tons and tons of profit then you can start talking about dealbreakers.

As soon as iphone isn't the most widely used (based on internet usage) smartphone, we can talk about most people. Yes, I'm aware that other brands of smartphones dwarf iphone worldwide, but not in internet usage density.

Fuck, let me at least sign in the same itunes account to all of my computers and just drag and drop what music I want on there. Seriously. My work laptop only has a 60gb drive on it and I house too much SQL shit on there to throw another 20-25gb worth of music on there just so I can use that as my "main" itunes sync location since I'm on this machine FAR more than my home system. But fuck me if this thing ever dies, or we do an upgrade to our systems (which is coming soon since this machine is EOL very soon)

How To Sync Your iPhone To Multiple Computers : iSmashPhone


I agree that the system sucks. My iphone is free from work so I have zero investment or interest in it but what it does poorly I really hate about it. I had no idea that you couldn't even use the iphone as a hard drive, or that you don't just drag and drop mp3s onto it, or that you had to use itunes with a ridiculous lack of tagging interface and no options for retrieval of album art / tags except from their store.

There are workarounds (and apps $$$) to everything, however. From tethering to use the iphone as a 3G modem for your laptop, jailbreaking so that every element is customizable, etc. it's all there.

They simply chose to be draconian so that people would buy in to their system. "Most people" like everything laid out in front of them and don't want to learn computers to use their phone/device. So they chose to abstract it more than making it a mini portable computer.

How can you say that these are so innovative when you're only allowing the Apple designers (for the most part) design themes or UI elements for the iphones? This is something that Google/HTC has done correctly. Working alongside real world people that can cook up ROMs with exactly what you want/need in it, build a beautiful UI in comparison, and still not suck up as much battery life as the iphone.

The innovation is in the standardization. You require those standards, all apps meet those standards. There are still shitty apps or substandard uses of the interface, but when you open up those themes you allow some programmer to become a bad designer. The samsung apps in all of their freedom are pure shit and make the phone look cheap.

So you bring up they "can" build something beautiful, with the iphone that's far more likely.

I hate to say it, but the burden of proof that Apple does get these uber leet Intel chips is on your end Sheaf. Find us some fucking proof that this happens and I'm sure you can "win" this interweb conversation, but until that point, you're sitting in that terrible position as people who argue that Jesus exists.

Hard to believe.

Originally Posted by Sheaf

iTunes was the first major piece of software to sync music on digital players.

No it wasn't. I had a crappy mp3 player a year before ipod came out. Come to think of it, it was the equivalent of a shuffle.

Now if you're talking about "syncing from an online shop" then yeah, but pardon me while i roll my eyes back and jack myself off to the idea that you think downloading a file and storing it on a device has been innovative for decades...

[Sheaf]

Originally Posted by Cad

I don't get this whole "best way to sync music" argument. Pop card in reader. open reader. Drag music to card. Pop card back in player. Off you go. Why do you need all that apple bullshit?

That's not syncing and it also came later. I'm not saying iTunes is the best right now, but it was innovative and relatively easy-to-use when it first came out as compared to other offerings (or lack thereof).

Again, how do you think Apple won the iPod/iTunes war? They didn't do it with slick marketing or fanboy hype because they didn't have either of them back then.

And I'm still waiting for someone to mention a single laptop manufacturer that has innovated more than Apple recently, preferably with examples.

[Cad]

Originally Posted by Sheaf

That's not syncing and it also came later. I'm not saying iTunes is the best right now, but it was innovative and relatively easy-to-use when it first came out as compared to other offerings (or lack thereof).

Again, how do you think Apple won the iPod/iTunes war? They didn't do it with slick marketing or fanboy hype because they didn't have either of them back then.

And I'm still waiting for someone to mention a single laptop manufacturer that has innovated more than Apple recently, preferably with examples.

We disagree about the definition of innovation.