Has Hell frozen over?

[GrobbeeTrull2.0]

IT'S THE END TIMES!

Israeli premier Netanyahu: Palestinian state must be disarmed with security guarantees

Woahdang.

[Ancalagon]

Nothing will come of it, as usual. Netanyahu will NEVER agree to ceding part of Jerusalem as a Palestinian capital, and absent that there will be no two-state solution. Moreover, the notion of a disarmed Palestinian state is laughable. A political entity bound by treaty with an enemy power to perpetual unilateral disarmament is not a state. A vassal maybe, but not a legitimate nation-state. How did the Treaty of Versailles rub the Germans again?

[dak]

Israeli premier Netanyahu: The people we are stealing land from must put down their feeble resistance and submit. We'll stick them somewhere shitty in return and keep all our weapons.

[Dokomo]

This Palestine looks like it will have all the responsibilities of being a country without any of the benefits. Sign me up!

[Evelys]

Originally Posted by Ancalagon

A political entity bound by treaty with an enemy power to perpetual unilateral disarmament is not a state.

Japan would like a word with you, sir.

[tjac]

Originally Posted by Evelys

Japan would like a word with you, sir.

Japan's relative disarmament is voluntary. So is Germany's.

[Ancalagon]

Originally Posted by Evelys

Japan would like a word with you, sir.

Japan is not currently bound by treaty with an enemy power to unilateral disarmament. To the extent that it can be said to have been so in the past, Japan was indeed a species of vassal. America was suzerain to Japan.

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by tjac

Japan's relative disarmament is voluntary. So is Germany's.

And by "voluntary" you mean:


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[dak]

And by "voluntary" you mean

Meh, Japan could have kept going for a while and killed a lot more people in those fetid jungles towards the end if the really wanted to.

Germany was less voluntary than Japan.

[CnCGOD]

Japan also thought we had a lot more bombs than we did. We didn't exactly go, "WE USED BOTH OF OUR EXISTING BOMBS!!".

[Azrayne]

it's a step forward, the terms he laid out are absurd and I imagine he knows that, but you also start bargaining higher than you actually expect to end up. The fact that he acknowledged the eventual goal of a palestinian state is pretty huge in itself.

Israel is happy to flex their muscles and act like the big boy on the playground when America has their back, but the moment the US shows any sympathy with the arabs they're suddenly jumping at a chance to please their allies and win back their love.

In the end, I think it comes down to two possible end outcomes, a two state treaty enforced by extraneous forces (or at least aided along by it), or the complete annhilation of the palestinian people and the annexation of their land. I'm sure Israel would love nothing more than to continue on their current path towards the latter, but with Obama trying to curry favor with and rebuild trust with the Muslim world that's looking like a less viable path for them, If America supports them in continuing that route then they burn their last bridges in the Arab world, and without America's support Israel will get Fed in in the A in two seconds flat. I think with Obama's recent address in the middle east they've finally realised that America isn't going to let them run wild anymore and that they need to rein themselves in .

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Actually, the only way this ends is the complete ousting of all Islamic leadership of countries in and around the Middle East, or the complete ousting of all Jews from Israel. Those are pretty much the only two conclusive "ends" to the current conflict.

Israel can appease all they want, they won't see any peace until they leave entirely. Obama can talk about bringing people to the table till he's blue in the face, there will be no peace until there is no Israel.

BTW...where is "Awsome"?

[tjac]

Originally Posted by Requiem

And by "voluntary" you mean:

Yeah. 60 years later there is no current treaty or international law that limits Japan to self defense forces or Germany to its "future" army. Those are self-imposed limitations. They have autonomy and take passive positions. Their cultures generally want disarmament (maybe that's changing). Anyway, it's a different deal than Palestine would get.

[Mario Speedwagon]

Doesn't this happen every couple years? Nothing will ever come of it because the Israelis will never pull out of their illegal settlements or cede parts of Jerusalem as the Palestinian state.

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by tjac

Yeah. 60 years later there is no current treaty or international law that limits Japan to self defense forces or Germany to its "future" army. Those are self-imposed limitations. They have autonomy and take passive positions. Their cultures generally want disarmament (maybe that's changing). Anyway, it's a different deal than Palestine would get.

And this obviously would still be the case in lieu of those events.... Right?