Abortion Doctor shot in Wichita

[Quineloe]

Originally Posted by GrobbeeTrull2.0

So then we've just proven that faith is both beautiful and cruel all at once, like many other human traits? Cool.

Nope, we've proven that faith is useless and has always caused more harm than good.

[Arbitrary]

Are our traits of cruelty also beautiful and is our beauty also cruel?

I'm going to have to go sit down after that.

[Saidin]

Maybe it's just because I don't have ovaries, but I don't think I will ever truly understand why rape is so hard for women. I understand most are sheltered and pampered and shit, but is it so hard for them to just suck it up and move on ? It's like some women love to mention the fact that they were raped just to get attention and it demeans the efforts of those who actually are trying to move on with their lives.

[Arakkis]

Originally Posted by Saidin

Maybe it's just because I don't have ovaries, but I don't think I will ever truly understand why rape is so hard for women. I understand most are sheltered and pampered and shit, but is it so hard for them to just suck it up and move on ? It's like some women love to mention the fact that they were raped just to get attention and it demeans the efforts of those who actually are trying to move on with their lives.

Good troll.

[Heylel Teomim]

Originally Posted by Arakkis

Good troll.

I was gonna lay into that for being so reprehensible, then I read your response and realized I'd been played.

[Etoille]

Originally Posted by Suineg

Oh I am adopted also because my mother was unfit but decided not to abort me and instead put me in immediate adoption....

There are options.

I am going to spout off a nonsensical statistic based on what my wife (a Neonatal Nurse Practicioner who has seen hundreds to thousands of pregnancies) that 98% or more of so called 'life threatening' pregnancies in the third trimester can be delivered safely and save both lives. Anything past the mid 20's week mark can survive on the outside. She claims 23 week is her record but one was claimed to be 22 but none of the doctors felt it was quite that young.

My mom is adopted. Her view point is the same as mine.

[Deadpool]

Originally Posted by Suineg

Oh I am adopted also because my mother was unfit but decided not to abort me and instead put me in immediate adoption....

There are options.

I am going to spout off a nonsensical statistic based on what my wife (a Neonatal Nurse Practicioner who has seen hundreds to thousands of pregnancies) that 98% or more of so called 'life threatening' pregnancies in the third trimester can be delivered safely and save both lives. Anything past the mid 20's week mark can survive on the outside. She claims 23 week is her record but one was claimed to be 22 but none of the doctors felt it was quite that young.

im happy you werent aborted but i am also sorry because you feel since you were adopted instead of have a coat hanger jabbed through your chest that you feel that no one should have abortions but sorry you got lucky thats it.

Is it really anyones business what people do with their unborn fetus'. Come now, say if you are a single women that happens to get pregnant yet you support yourself 100% and dont want to be a mother then honestly why would you not have an abortion? what so in the seventh month of pregnancy you have to quit your job and struggle just so you can give some bastard child up for adoption. absolutely not and if anyone doesnt agree they a retarded.

[Etoille]

Originally Posted by Heylel Teomim

I see no strength of character at all, I see religious convictions. They're not the same thing. Note, I'm not saying she's not a remarkably resilient woman, or that she has no strength of character for handling her trauma so well, but carrying the child to term because God told you to isn't inner strength.

I totally disagree with you.

Whether you have faith in in god or courage in your convictions it doesn't make one route easier. When you make a choice to be committed to ANY idea regardless of personal sacrifice there's always a choice you have to go the "easier" (note the quotation marks) route.

Whether she believed it was wrong from a moral or religious perspective doesn't diminish what she did at all imho. Inner strength isn't the idea itself youre committing to, it comes from making a commitment to something you believe to be larger than yourself.

And I don't believe in organized religion at all.

[Quineloe]

Originally Posted by Etoille

My mom is adopted. Her view point is the same as mine.

Are you talking about your real mother or your foster mother?

If it's the former, it appears that there's a long history of being unfit to raise a child in your family and you should do the right thing now to put a stop to it.

[Snugglebear]

But convictions are so much easier to have when you were brainwashed from a young age into believing that a mighty, loving, yet ultimately vengeful deity wants you to have those convictions, or he'll send you to hell. That's why all atheists are such dirtbags I assume.

[Chanur]

Originally Posted by CnCGOD

I wish it wasn't such a big part of the discourse. I don't get why people fall back on religion for definition of right and wrong when it should be from within yourself that you decide these things. I guess its a crutch for the weak because they can't make any decisions on their own but damn... I think the moral standards you set for yourself on your own are much more important than anything a damn religion can instill.

Perhaps if religious people weren't afraid of going to hell for this and so many other things , they would not.

[EmpireF4i]

Originally Posted by Saidin

Maybe it's just because I don't have ovaries, but I don't think I will ever truly understand why rape is so hard for women. I understand most are sheltered and pampered and shit, but is it so hard for them to just suck it up and move on ? It's like some women love to mention the fact that they were raped just to get attention and it demeans the efforts of those who actually are trying to move on with their lives.

I hope you get thrown in prison one day then raped, then come here and try to get attention for it, then get banned and we never have to hear you try to troll ever, ever again.

[Suineg]

Originally Posted by Suineg

Once again Quineloe proving he's a moron.

The 'clump of cells', fetus, baby, or whatever you want to call it is viable past the 24 week mark.

You have to pull it out of the womans body and you can do that two ways.

1.) With a clamp, a knife, or a vacuum.
2.) With loving and caring hands.

Same result either way for the mother. You don't save her more by delivering the baby dead then you do delivering it live. There is NEVER a case past the 24th week that the baby threatens the mothers live and must be killed instead of just prematurely delivered.

Before you get on your holier then thou pragmatic soapbox of atheism and bigotry to all things faintly smelling of religion remember in an earlier post I said I am still conflicted if I feel all abortion is wrong but I will go on the record to say third trimester (partial birth abortion) is just wrong.

Originally Posted by Quineloe

Yes you did.

You just claimed also that all of them can be delivered alive, which also happens to be nothing but BS.

I distinctly say that an abortion and a delivery at that stage in a pregnancy take the SAME toll on the woman. You can do it without killing the kid or you can kill the kid. It's your 'choice' but that doesn't change the fact that third trimester abortion will be viewed as wrong by religious and non religious people alike.

I will probably say it 10 more times in this thread but religion has NOTHING to do with my viewpoints on abortion. Absolutely not a damn thing. I have already stated that I don't unequivocally say that abortion is wrong.

I do believe and I think most intelligent thinkers would agree that third trimester abortion is wrong.

Originally Posted by Deadpool

im happy you werent aborted but i am also sorry because you feel since you were adopted instead of have a coat hanger jabbed through your chest that you feel that no one should have abortions but sorry you got lucky thats it.

Is it really anyones business what people do with their unborn fetus'. Come now, say if you are a single women that happens to get pregnant yet you support yourself 100% and dont want to be a mother then honestly why would you not have an abortion? what so in the seventh month of pregnancy you have to quit your job and struggle just so you can give some bastard child up for adoption. absolutely not and if anyone doesnt agree they a retarded.

My adoption had everything to do with options and nothing to do with forcing someone to do that. Saying that abortion as birth control is a good idea when you can do adoption or whatever else is plain asinine.

Originally Posted by Alcestis

@ Suineg: Experience fallacy.

10 years of high level extensive experience > unsubstantiated googled statistics every day and twice on Monday

[Saidin]

Originally Posted by EmpireF4i

I hope you get thrown in prison one day then raped, then come here and try to get attention for it, then get banned and we never have to hear you try to troll ever, ever again.

You're a very hateful person for wishing for a black guy to put his penis in my mangina.

[Zhaun's_Shade]

Originally Posted by Saidin

You're a very hateful person for wishing for a black guy to put his penis in my mangina.

Hope he's hung like a bison.