Google Wave

Lleauaric~EW · 05-29-2009, 01:47 PM

Absolutely amazing.

Lifehacker - Google Wave Video Demo Makes a Little More Sense of Wave - Google Wave

Mario Speedwagon · 05-29-2009, 02:31 PM

That looks god damn revolutionary. At least when google rules the world we'll have really cool gadgets to play with.

Smocca · 05-29-2009, 03:17 PM

At the 36 minute mark, where they were editing the same thing simultaneously and getting live updates of it all... my mind was blown.

Cuppycake · 05-29-2009, 03:49 PM

Been following this pretty closely.

I wouldn't say real time editing is revolutionary, but at this kind of scale it's going to be mind-blowing for sure. Really looking forward to giving this a try.

Google are such pros at producing minimalistic design combined with fantastic functionality.

krax · 05-29-2009, 06:11 PM

If I were a MMO developer, I would scrap my chat system and run a version of this instead. Hell you might be able to make a web based MMO with this tech.

cosmic_cs · 05-29-2009, 09:18 PM

I wonder how many people can join a single conversation. It seems like a lot of data transmission to have 1000 people in one conversation LIVE.

PerritoBites · 05-29-2009, 09:25 PM

Real time editing has been done before...
Rich media integration has been done before..
Collaborative tagging has been done before...

Now... having all this under one system and having an API make your extensions and make it be open source so you can have your own implementation...? Wow!

I don't know if this is going to be the future of the internet (a la web2.0) but this is definitely going in the right direction.

What impressed me the most from that video was the integration... how extensions worked and how it could be used to update a website/blog. I see endless ways in which this system can be used!

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosmic_cs

I wonder how many people can join a single conversation. It seems like a lot of data transmission to have 1000 people in one conversation LIVE.

There is a problem with scalabilty. Kind of like the same problem ventrilo has.... but then again would you really want 1000 people editing the same document? That would be chaos.... same as ventrilo having 1000 people talking at the same time. I am sure you can have infinite(ok, not infinite) readers, but would be restricted on the writer end.

cosmic_cs · 05-29-2009, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PerritoBites

There is a problem with scalabilty. Kind of like the same problem ventrilo has.... but then again would you really want 1000 people editing the same document? That would be chaos.... same as ventrilo having 1000 people talking at the same time. I am sure you can have infinite(ok, not infinite) readers, but would be restricted on the writer end.

It's not the same as Ventrilo though. We can imagine a situation where you have a popular blog that has 1000+ active users with Wave permissions. Although 1000 of them aren't editing at once, Google will need to update every one of them with every edit.

Northerner · 05-29-2009, 11:39 PM

Since the it gives permissions on the tree, I would presume you could allow editing but either restrict real-time editing to a user cap for visitor status or just scale responsiveness. We'll see how it works at launch but it would be reasonable to restrict polling times scaled against user interaction numbers.

Explosivo · 05-29-2009, 11:40 PM

This could really turn it around for 4chan.

Grooverider · 05-30-2009, 02:51 AM

I really don't think that this is that fantastic. The live updating AJAX is nice enough, but it's nothing I haven't seen before i.e. ICQ chat circa 1998 (of course, I accept that this was not using a html based app). It wasn't great as a desktop app; infact it made conversation worse than IRC based convos.

I don't think the multi-access on a document for collaborative reasons is that fantastic. That's just not how people work and whenever people imagine systems such as these I am always amused at the difference between peoples perceptions of combined working and the reality.

I think Google is heading in the wrong direction with their development, laying far too much focus on actual web-app development. What they should be building is a Web-Based GUI/OS that would serve as a frontend to these web apps and build a web-based app framework that will hook into the gui foundation.

Anyone want to elaborate on why their 'minds were blown' by this demonstration?

Dumar · 05-30-2009, 04:00 AM

i watched the first twenty min because you idiots said amazing. there's nothing amazing about this at all.

Grooverider · 05-30-2009, 04:55 AM

Also; why do people keep calling Wave a 'protocol'. Isn't it just another application layer for HTTP?

Dumar · 05-30-2009, 05:05 AM

i really don't think people really use terms like 'protocol' to make sense anymore; it's just cos it sounds good. that pm sounded like she was on drugs or add or a combo of both.

Erumaron · 05-30-2009, 05:33 AM

Dumar Quote, You've been WARNED!

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

You watched long enough to see the part where the wave is updating the blog live I would think? If not watch a few more minutes. The point is how interconnected this makes *everything* on the internet that uses the tech. It is amazing if you aren't a moron and see how big of a step up it is from where things are now.

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05-29-2009, 02:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
Mario Speedwagon Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: 3rd Place Posts: 2,110 -47 Internets	That looks god damn revolutionary. At least when google rules the world we'll have really cool gadgets to play with.

05-29-2009, 06:11 PM	#5 (permalink)
krax Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 148 +24 Internets	If I were a MMO developer, I would scrap my chat system and run a version of this instead. Hell you might be able to make a web based MMO with this tech.

05-29-2009, 09:18 PM	#6 (permalink)
cosmic_cs Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 176 -8 Internets	I wonder how many people can join a single conversation. It seems like a lot of data transmission to have 1000 people in one conversation LIVE.

05-29-2009, 11:39 PM	#9 (permalink)
Northerner Shiny Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Calgary Posts: 1,761	Since the it gives permissions on the tree, I would presume you could allow editing but either restrict real-time editing to a user cap for visitor status or just scale responsiveness. We'll see how it works at launch but it would be reasonable to restrict polling times scaled against user interaction numbers.

05-30-2009, 02:51 AM	#11 (permalink)
Grooverider 1234567890 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Svenborgia Posts: 1,299	I really don't think that this is that fantastic. The live updating AJAX is nice enough, but it's nothing I haven't seen before i.e. ICQ chat circa 1998 (of course, I accept that this was not using a html based app). It wasn't great as a desktop app; infact it made conversation worse than IRC based convos. I don't think the multi-access on a document for collaborative reasons is that fantastic. That's just not how people work and whenever people imagine systems such as these I am always amused at the difference between peoples perceptions of combined working and the reality. I think Google is heading in the wrong direction with their development, laying far too much focus on actual web-app development. What they should be building is a Web-Based GUI/OS that would serve as a frontend to these web apps and build a web-based app framework that will hook into the gui foundation. Anyone want to elaborate on why their 'minds were blown' by this demonstration?

05-30-2009, 04:55 AM	#13 (permalink)
Grooverider 1234567890 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Svenborgia Posts: 1,299	Also; why do people keep calling Wave a 'protocol'. Isn't it just another application layer for HTTP?