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Pren · 05-21-2009, 09:15 PM

So unless you just randomly kidnap other tribes' women and rape them and throw them in a ditch afterwards, you're paying for sex - even royal harems aren't cheap to maintain. I mean if you want to break it down no matter what, humans always 'pay' for sex. She pays for sex, too, by cleaning the house and raising the kids.

In which case we don't call it 'paying for sex', we call them mutually beneficial arrangements. Reduce everything to prostitution all you want if it makes you feel better deluding yourselves.

Not that there's anything wrong with prostitution, it's the oldest profession.

Dumar · 05-21-2009, 09:29 PM

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So unless you just randomly kidnap other tribes' women and rape them [...]

k, sounds like fun. The Rape of the Sabine Women - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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She pays for sex, too, by cleaning the house and raising the kids. In which case we don't call it 'paying for sex', we call them mutually beneficial arrangements. Reduce everything to prostitution all you want if it makes you feel better deluding yourselves.

she does it for money and the security money brings. it doesn't matter what you 'call it'. like i said, you can rationalize it anyway you want: you can call it a lovely marriage, a great relationship, a dignified courtship, whatever words you wanna use. it doesn't change the matter of fact.

i'm just reducing it the truth, nothing more. for some reason, you and others seem to make excuses or explain away into tangents. paying for sex isn't good or bad (it's actually just obvious), but in your mind, you need to rationalize the behavior to feel better. there's nothing wrong with feeling better, but you shouldn't deny what it is.

Zehn - Vhex · 05-21-2009, 09:51 PM

I think you're onto something here. Let's destruct this even further. It's really more or less just about neurons firing off in your brain...which is basically the same thing that happens when you stab someone in the face with a brick. So being in a relationship is more or less the same as murder. Rationalize it all you like.

Eomer · 05-21-2009, 10:38 PM

Dumar is kind of like Astrocreep, but he somehow is simultaneously smarter and yet catastrophically more stupid at the same time. It's quite the accomplishment really.

Valishar · 05-21-2009, 10:46 PM

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Totally agreed on the second part, sex isn't always about emotion for most guys and even a lot of girls. I'm sure there were some pretty decent girls in Amsterdam, by bud who was there told me all about it. And the prices, which I've since forgotten, didn't seem too unreasonable.

But I'd still rather fuck the equivalent of a Dutch bar slut.

On the flipside, Nevada licensed prostitutes are tested for STD's weekly, which would I assume make them much cleaner than the average bar star.

WillzZz · 05-21-2009, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Zehn - Vhex

stab someone in the face with a brick.

You have gained skill in Piercing (1) ???

Dumar · 05-21-2009, 10:56 PM

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Dumar is kind of like Astrocreep, but he somehow is simultaneously smarter and yet catastrophically more stupid at the same time. It's quite the accomplishment really.

well that's certainly one way to rationalize it.

Eomer · 05-21-2009, 11:00 PM

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On the flipside, Nevada licensed prostitutes are tested for STD's weekly, which would I assume make them much cleaner than the average bar star.

Yeah, one of the many arguments for legalizing and controlling it. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for that.

Astrocreep · 05-22-2009, 09:22 AM

Dumar isright on this so QQ about it all you want. in the end we all pay for it one way or the other. You people are basically practicing 16th century puritanism when you look your nose down on other people who willingly pay for sex.

society tells us these women here are good girls and these women over there are bad girls. 40 years ago an unwed mother was considered a whore as well. now its "ok".Spending 70 bucks on a random chick for a night out at the movies and then dinner with the intention for a possibility (no certainty unless you carry around roofies) of sex afterward, thats somehow more morally acceptable than driving down broadway and picking up a ho, giving her 20 bucks and she delivers the goods in 5 minutes you're back home to catch the last half Iron Man on cable.

when you check your bank statement every month and realize these one night stands are killing your assets you may someday realize that you were better off staying home and jerking it or just going out and paying for a quick one.

Etoille · 05-22-2009, 09:44 AM

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Dumar isright on this so QQ about it all you want. in the end we all pay for it one way or the other. You people are basically practicing 16th century puritanism when you look your nose down on other people who willingly pay for sex.

society tells us these women here are good girls and these women over there are bad girls. 40 years ago an unwed mother was considered a whore as well. now its "ok".Spending 70 bucks on a random chick for a night out at the movies and then dinner with the intention for a possibility (no certainty unless you carry around roofies) of sex afterward, thats somehow more morally acceptable than driving down broadway and picking up a ho, giving her 20 bucks and she delivers the goods in 5 minutes you're back home to catch the last half Iron Man on cable.

when you check your bank statement every month and realize these one night stands are killing your assets you may someday realize that you were better off staying home and jerking it or just going out and paying for a quick one.

rofl I don't have an issue with prostitution - I have an issue that you don't know better to wrap it up when you're with one. Gross.

Not to the extent that dumar/some obviously VERY hurt/burned people in this thread are saying - but I do agree that picking up chicks in a bar and feeding them shots and dumping them out on a corner is practically no different. (And the girls are just as dirty!)

Which is why my bar bills were always higher in college than my friends - I didn't accept drinks from guys interested in playing that game with me because I didn't think it was right. Hell I got stood up for a concert (Matchbox 20 when they were good) because I got the feeling this guy who was taking me wanted something more than just friends so two weeks before I said hey look - if you have the opportunity to take a girl who isn't me - do it. I like you but I'm not into you like that. The shitty part was he was like "no I still want you to go" - but didn't call me again after that and he should have just said 'you know I changed my mind'. He could have handled it better. And I would have understood.

Saying that the only reason women are in relationships is because of a sex/money trade is completely ludicrous. There are several examples of women being breadwinners in today's day and age. If you think a marriage or committed relationship is just a really long trade of sex for money/security/etc then I flat out feel sorry for you. Because it means you truly do not understand what it means to love or be loved. And thats sad.

Simas · 05-22-2009, 09:54 AM

Correlation is not causation.

Dumar · 05-22-2009, 10:00 AM

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Not to the extent that dumar/some obviously VERY hurt/burned people in this thread are saying - but I do agree that picking up chicks in a bar and feeding them shots and dumping them out on a corner is practically no different. (And the girls are just as dirty!)

i've had my normal relationships and breakups. i dunno why you think i say this outta pain or whatever. i simply look past the social structures society built to what it really is. it's not a bad thing; it's just the way it is. dunno why that boggles the minds of some.

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Saying that the only reason women are in relationships is because of a sex/money trade is completely ludicrous. There are several examples of women being breadwinners in today's day and age. If you think a marriage or committed relationship is just a really long trade of sex for money/security/etc then I flat out feel sorry for you. Because it means you truly do not understand what it means to love or be loved. And thats sad.

it's not ludicrous; it's true. i never said love didn't or can't exist. listen to my words carefully. look at why love exists. why does that feeling emerge for a man or woman? it's because of what i described. i'm sure you'd be much more eager to fall in love with a stable and secure guy than a bum. for the millionth time, it's not bad or awful; it's just the matter of fact of life. instead of making excuses or rationalizing it another weird way (like calling me dumb), just say as such to others and yourself. moving on from the truth is the best place from which to move in any 'relationship', whether it's a gf, friend, or totally awesome poster like dumar.

James · 05-22-2009, 10:05 AM

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(Matchbox 20 when they were good)

When was that?

James · 05-22-2009, 10:07 AM

P.S. Here's a picture that debunks your entire argument, Dumar.

Astrocreep · 05-22-2009, 10:15 AM

we are talking abut the act of sex here. you can love a person you have sex with but you can also still have sex without any feeling whatsover. so lets not get the two mixed up here. although back in the 90s this one chick i picked up more than 3 times thought for some reason i was her boyfriend. i wanted to tell her "uh i just pick you up for a BJ. i wouldnt even want to see what you look like in the daytime or when im sober let alone have a relationship with you, but i couldnt bring myself do that even with a ho.
btw its been several years since ive picked up a ho, i no longer do it. its more out of being that im in my 30s and not needing it as bad as i used to than thinking its "wrong" or immoral.

05-21-2009, 09:15 PM	#61 (permalink)
Pren Punctual down to the letter Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 697 +23 Internets	So unless you just randomly kidnap other tribes' women and rape them and throw them in a ditch afterwards, you're paying for sex - even royal harems aren't cheap to maintain. I mean if you want to break it down no matter what, humans always 'pay' for sex. She pays for sex, too, by cleaning the house and raising the kids. In which case we don't call it 'paying for sex', we call them mutually beneficial arrangements. Reduce everything to prostitution all you want if it makes you feel better deluding yourselves. Not that there's anything wrong with prostitution, it's the oldest profession. __________________ If someone says that NASCAR isn't a sport, are they racist? Last edited by Pren; 05-21-2009 at 09:17 PM..

05-22-2009, 09:54 AM	#71 (permalink)
Simas Say word Join Date: May 2005 Location: NoVa Posts: 1,767 -22 Internets	Correlation is not causation. __________________ Destroyer

05-22-2009, 10:07 AM	#74 (permalink)
James You are just another normal! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,383	P.S. Here's a picture that debunks your entire argument, Dumar. Attached Images __________________ Like a ship without an anchor, like a slave without a chain, just the thought of those sweet ladies sends a shiver through my veins. And I will go on shining, shining like brand new. I'll never look behind me, my troubles will be few. Goodbye stranger, it's been nice. Hope you find your paradise. Tried to see your point of view, hope your dreams will all come true. Goodbye Mary, goodbye Jane, will we ever meet again? Feel no sorrow, feel no shame. Come tomorrow, feel no pain.

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05-21-2009, 09:51 PM	#63 (permalink)
Zehn - Vhex Lord of the Dance Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 8,796 +166 Internets	I think you're onto something here. Let's destruct this even further. It's really more or less just about neurons firing off in your brain...which is basically the same thing that happens when you stab someone in the face with a brick. So being in a relationship is more or less the same as murder. Rationalize it all you like.

05-21-2009, 10:38 PM	#64 (permalink)
Eomer You mean I can change this? Neat! Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,975 +66 Internets	Dumar is kind of like Astrocreep, but he somehow is simultaneously smarter and yet catastrophically more stupid at the same time. It's quite the accomplishment really.

05-22-2009, 09:22 AM	#69 (permalink)
Astrocreep Flings doodoo and poopoo Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 5,732	Dumar isright on this so QQ about it all you want. in the end we all pay for it one way or the other. You people are basically practicing 16th century puritanism when you look your nose down on other people who willingly pay for sex. society tells us these women here are good girls and these women over there are bad girls. 40 years ago an unwed mother was considered a whore as well. now its "ok".Spending 70 bucks on a random chick for a night out at the movies and then dinner with the intention for a possibility (no certainty unless you carry around roofies) of sex afterward, thats somehow more morally acceptable than driving down broadway and picking up a ho, giving her 20 bucks and she delivers the goods in 5 minutes you're back home to catch the last half Iron Man on cable. when you check your bank statement every month and realize these one night stands are killing your assets you may someday realize that you were better off staying home and jerking it or just going out and paying for a quick one.

05-22-2009, 10:15 AM	#75 (permalink)
Astrocreep Flings doodoo and poopoo Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 5,732	we are talking abut the act of sex here. you can love a person you have sex with but you can also still have sex without any feeling whatsover. so lets not get the two mixed up here. although back in the 90s this one chick i picked up more than 3 times thought for some reason i was her boyfriend. i wanted to tell her "uh i just pick you up for a BJ. i wouldnt even want to see what you look like in the daytime or when im sober let alone have a relationship with you, but i couldnt bring myself do that even with a ho. btw its been several years since ive picked up a ho, i no longer do it. its more out of being that im in my 30s and not needing it as bad as i used to than thinking its "wrong" or immoral.