Poll: Is the New World Order a Conspiracy?

[Kugbok_Fennin]

Originally Posted by Lucifar

Kugbok the caveman sits around the fire with the other caveman to discuss goings on in the 2 hours per day that are not devoted to hunting food.

Apparently the hunt leader took 6 hours off hunting the other day to meet with other tribes about cooperating over tribal hunting boundaries instead of just all trying to hunt everywhere and spending 2x as much time running around becuse of the extra distance involved.

It is this incident as well as countless other meetings among tribal leaders that has convinced Kugbok there is more here than meets the eye. The leaders must be secretly planning a New World Order where some tribesmen wont have to do any tiring hunting at all, they will sit around at permanent meeting points called towns and make decisions while the masses are forced to hunt still.

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Anyway, back on point - its not a fucking conspiracy, its social progress and it may pan out eventually with a global government, or that may not work and something else will happen.
I look at the trend over centuries of smaller kingdoms becoming nations and nations joining and becoming unions and I figure it is probably going to happen at some point - but maybe not until we colonize space. There may be some point of balance where a dozen or so competing leaderships are more efficient than a single entity.

Yeah as part of a larger world order, my voice will matter even less, but that usually doesn't mean that my standard of living suffers. The advantages of scale seem to generally outweigh the advantages of 'personal input' for most people. How many citizens of large developed nations do you see rushing to much smaller economies in order to get out from under the thumb of NWO oppression?

I would tell you put up or shut up - Where ever you currently live, its quite likely the population of New Zealand here is smaller, and we buck the NWO thing a lot more than most (missing out on free trade deals with with US over our 20 year stance on nukes etc) but people don't come to live here for those reasons. Nor will you.
You're just bored and unhappy that you don't think you matter, so you put on a tinfoil hat and try to get attention.

You clearly will enjoy your slavery won't you?

[Zhaun's_Shade]

Originally Posted by Lucifar

huh?

freedom?

It's such an abused word these days. The risk to freedom that inspired entire generations to fight and die for is a hell of a lot more specific than what you call your 'freedom' - to be a douche that throws speeding tickets out a car window without consequences.

Being forced to deal with the consequences of your actions is clearly a breach of your freedom!

[Lucifar]

Originally Posted by Kugbok_Fennin

You clearly will enjoy your slavery won't you?

You define your argument here.

It's not going to matter to you how much others are happy or not happy in future world. Nor will it matter if they feel they are free from oppression or are under the thumb of omnipotent cruel leadership.

If the world has become more globalized socially, you are going to call everyone slaves regardless.

[Kugbok_Fennin]

2009 Bilderberg Attendee/Logan Act violators ***Translated from Greek so may not be perfect***

Dutch Queen Beatrix,
Queen Sofia of Spain
Prince Constantijn Belgian Prince
Philip Ntavinion Etienne, Belgium
Joseph Akerman, Germany
Friends Alexander, United States (NSA)
Roger Altman, United States
Arapoglou, Greece (National Bank of Greece governor)
Ali Bampatzan, Turkey (Deputy Prime Minister responsible for economy)
Francisco Balsemao bidet, Portugal
Nicholas Bavarez, France
Franco Bernampe, Italy (Telecom Italia)
Xavie Bertran, France
Carl Bildt, Sweden (Secretary)
January Bgiorklount, Norway
Christoph Blocher, Switzerland
Alexander Bompar, France,
Boten Anna, Spain
Henri de Kastios, France
Juan-Luis Themprian, Spain
Clark Edmunds, Canada
Kenneth Clarke, Great Britain (TD Bank Financial Group)
Luc Cohen, Belgium
George David, Greece
Richard Ntiarlav, Great Britain
Mario Dragan, Italy (Italia VANCA d)
Elntroup Anders, Denmark
John Elkan, Italy (Fiat SRA)
Thomas Enders, Germany (Airbus SAS)
Jose Entrekanales, Spain
Isintro phenomena casket, Spain
Naial Fergkiouson, United States (Harvard University)
Timothy Gaitner, United States (Minister of Finance)
Ntermot convergence, Ireland (AIV Group)
Donald Graham, United States (Washington Post Company)
Victor Chalmperstant, Netherlands (Leiden University)
Ernst hirsh Ballin, Netherlands
Richard Holbrooke, the U.S. (Obama’s special envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan)
Jaap De Hoop Scheffer, Netherlands (CC NATO)
James Jones, the U.S. (National Security Advisor to the White House)
Vernon Jordan, United States
Robert Keigkan, United States
Girki Katainen, Finland
John profit Britain (Royal Dutch Shell)
Mustafa Kots, Turkey (Group Kots)
Roland GT, Germany
Sami Cohen, Turkey (Journalist)
Henry Kissinger, United States
Marie Zose Ktavis, United States (Iudson Institute)
Neli Kroes, the Netherlands (European Commissioner for Competition)
Odysseas Kyriakopoulos, Greece (Group S & B)
Manuela Fereira mode, Portugal (PSD)
Bernarntino Leon, Spain
Jessica Matthews, United States
Philip Meis Tant (EIB)
Frank MakKena, Canada (TD Bank Financial Group)
John Mikelthgoueit, Great Britain (journalists, The Economist)
Tieri Montmprian de France (Franse Instituut) Tieri Montmprian de France (French Institute)
Mario Monti, Italy (University Louitzi Bokoni)
Angela Miguel Moratinos, Spain (Minister of Foreign Affairs)
Craig dirty, U.S. (Microsoft)
Egkil Miklempast, Norway
Mathias A, Germany
Olive Denis, France (Le Nouvel Observateur)
Frederick Ountea, France (Societe Generale)
Avg Ozntemir, Germany (Green Party)
Tomazo Pantoa-Siopa, Italy
Papalexopoulos Dimitris, Greece (Titan)
Richard Pearl, United States (Αmerican Enterprise Institute)
David Petreous, United States (head of the Central Administration of the U.S. Armed Forces)
Pint Manuel, Minister of Finance of Portugal
Robert Pritsarnt, Canada (Totstar Corporation)
Romano Prodi, Italy (former Italian Prime Minister)
Heather Raisman, Canada (Indigo Vooks & Music Inc.).
Eivint Reitan, Norway
Michael Rintzier, Czech Republic
David Rockefeller, U.S.
Dennis Ross, United States
Ruby Barnet, United States
Alberto Rouith-Gkalarthon, Spain
Susan Sampantzi Ntintzer, Turkey
Ιntira Samarasekera, Canada
Rountol Solten, Austria
Jürgen Stemp, Germany
Pedro Solbes Mira, Spain (Ministry of Finance)
Sampatzi Saraz, Turkey (banker)
Sanata Seketa, Canada (University of Canada)
Samer Lawrence, United States
Peter Sutherland, Ireland
Martin Taylor, UK
Peter Thiel, USA
Agan Ourgkout, Turkey
Eye Vanchanen, Finland, (Prime Minister)
Daniel Vazela, Switzerland,
Jeroen van der Veer, Netherlands
Guy Verhofstadt, Belgium (ex-Prime Minister)
Paul Volker, the U.S.
Jacob Valenmpergk, Sweden
Marcus Valenmpergk, Sweden
Nout Wellink, the Netherlands
Viser Hans, Netherlands
Martin Wolf, Great Britain (Financial Times Journalist)
James Wolfensohn, United States (the former World Bank President)
Paul Wolfowitz, United States
Fareed Zakaria, United States (Analyst Journalist, Newsweek)
Robert Zoellick, United States (President World Bank)
Dora Bakoyannis, Greece (Minister of Foreign Affairs)
Anna Diamantopoulou, Greece (PASOK MP)
Papathanasiou, Greece (Minister of Finance)
Alogoskoufis, Greece (former Minister)
David, Greece (businessman, president of Coca-Cola 3E)

[Zhaun's_Shade]

Originally Posted by Kugbok_Fennin

2009 Bilderberg Attendee/Logan Act violators ***Translated from Greek so may not be perfect***

And? You do a poor job of trying to elightened the ignorant.

[Knucklehead]

Avast! Here be a list of scallywags who attended an invitation only conference in Europe! Do your duty, men. Scandalize them!

[BurnemWizfyre]

Sorry that list doesn't include Dick Cheney, if it had i might believe it was some super top secret coup to take over the world conspiracy you like to make it out to be. Lets get this straight right here and now, no NWO list of members can exclude Cheney.

[vegetoee]

Hmm... interesting stuff. The Bilderberg conference does merit some questioning. If these people are discussing policies, first off, for what purpose are they discussing. Second, why is it only the elite of the elite, and why can't this be a public thing to discuss. Granted, there are rights guaranteed to these people for these types of "meetings", I often wonder why the fuck do the elites need to trifle in the matters of the common folk in the first place. Is it not to keep their control? Is it not for their own interests? Regardless, if their intentions are good then they should have no problem releasing some of their wonderfully intelligent discussions regarding policy. I can't speak for the rest of the world or the U.S.A, but I much like my forefathers will always be weary of conferences or meetings for the elite only that are held in secret. I am Not saying they are worshiping the devil and eating babies, or plotting to take over the world. However, it should peak curiosity as to why this "good" meeting should be secret. After all, these are the motherfuckers responsible for this financial crisis, not the poor.


On a side note.... Taiwan is fucking hot, wtb air conditioning !

[Kugbok_Fennin]

Originally Posted by vegetoee

Hmm... interesting stuff. The Bilderberg conference does merit some questioning. If these people are discussing policies, first off, for what purpose are they discussing. Second, why is it only the elite of the elite, and why can't this be a public thing to discuss. Granted, there are rights guaranteed to these people for these types of "meetings", I often wonder why the fuck do the elites need to trifle in the matters of the common folk in the first place. Is it not to keep their control? Is it not for their own interests? Regardless, if their intentions are good then they should have no problem releasing some of their wonderfully intelligent discussions regarding policy. I can't speak for the rest of the world or the U.S.A, but I much like my forefathers will always be weary of conferences or meetings for the elite only that are held in secret. I am Not saying they are worshiping the devil and eating babies, or plotting to take over the world. However, it should peak curiosity as to why this "good" meeting should be secret. After all, these are the motherfuckers responsible for this financial crisis, not the poor.


On a side note.... Taiwan is fucking hot, wtb air conditioning !

Exactly, if all they are discussing is policy and fluffy bunnies. What is the harm in not opening this up to the public? The problem is the secrecy. They meet in a different country every year. It is by exclusive invite only, and only the most elite of the world are in attendance. Entire hotels are shut down for 3-4 days while the meetings and conferences take place. Security is incredible every year and many agencies are employed to "police" the area. Reporters attempting to cover the events have been harassed, detained, arrested, shot at, followed, and spied on.

And of course there is this...

§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

1 Stat. 613, January 30, 1799, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953 (2004).

[vegetoee]

Originally Posted by Kugbok_Fennin

Exactly, if all they are discussing is policy and fluffy bunnies. What is the harm in not opening this up to the public? The problem is the secrecy. They meet in a different country every year. It is by exclusive invite only, and only the most elite of the world are in attendance. Entire hotels are shut down for 3-4 days while the meetings and conferences take place. Security is incredible every year and many agencies are employed to "police" the area. Reporters attempting to cover the events have been harassed, detained, arrested, shot at, followed, and spied on.

And of course there is this...

Good luck enforcing that on the elite..... you are better off trying to take matters into your own hands on that one.

As crazy as some of these batshit conspiracy theorists claim to be, the fact of the matter is, they have mostly legitimate claims. Yes, some take it to extremes and are fucking retarded for doing so, however, some have some valid points that we as a society and as human beings should be asking ourselves. However, since the majority of Americans and humans are fucking pushovers to manipulate, I seriously doubt anyone will question a fucking thing they do outside an internet forum. With that being said, there is indeed a push for a greater government and control, whether it is evil or good shouldn't fucking matter. Any of you who are American should throw a fucking fit. Over the last 8 years our fucking rights and freedoms have went down the shitter and you all act like nothing is wrong. For fuck sakes, either grow some balls and step up or stop bitching at people like kug for trying to get you thinking outside what others want you to.

Is it that fucking hard to take a step back and just think of the possibility of something like this happening? I would think not.

[Heylel Teomim]

Originally Posted by vegetoee

Is it that fucking hard to take a step back and just think of the possibility of something like this happening? I would think not.

Of course it's easy to step back and think of the possibility. In fact, there's a whole profession dedicated to doing just that: we call them writers.

It's an altogether different problem to provide factual, evidence-based proof that a conspiracy is taking place. You can think of all the possibilities you want, it won't magically ensure that they're true.

[Frawdo]

Kugbog, here's a poll question specifically for you:

Do you believe that the Illuminati are a race of reptilian humanoids and that many prominent figures are reptilian?

I am absolutely serious, this is a yes or no question based on your own personal beliefs.

[Fammaden]

Originally Posted by http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=1999

Peter Thiel, United States (Clarium Capital Management LCC, PayPal co-founder, Board of Directors, Facebook)

That's all I needed to see. Now we have proof that social networking sites are mainstream evil tools of global corporate mind control. Stop using that fucking shit, sheep!

Bilderberg is pretty interesting, but couldn't you just as easily assume that the net result could be a force for good? Maybe they are plotting to keep the world at peace and prosperous. Maybe what's good for the top is often good for the bottom. Sure I understand the concern over secrecy and lack of transparency when a group like this potentially has influence over very important public issues such as the environment. But does the assumption automatically have to be that it is nefarious? I mean, we really don't know, is there reason to assume motivation one way or another?

Honestly, the pragmatic cynical side of me just accepts that they are networking and increasing their own capacity for money making and power by pooling resources. Any resultant good or evil is just a side effect, not the actual end goal of the meeting.

[Dumar]

Originally Posted by Fammaden

but couldn't you just as easily assume that the net result could be a force for good?

hahahaha lol.

[Heylel Teomim]

Originally Posted by Dumar

hahahaha lol.

Why is it so hard to imagine that people working together can have a net positive effect for humanity? Have you not bothered to look at the modern world we live in? You think *anything in it* was accomplished by people working alone?