North Korea

[TheCutlery]

Originally Posted by Tuco

I disagree. If they send their battleship on a trajectory towards the US, sink it, otherwise pursue no actions until they strike first.

I'd rather the NKorea strike first as long as they didn't hit the US than have the US strike first. Besides, I still don't think NKorea will strike.

I'm with McTuco.

There is zero benefit to the US attacking first. We already have a shit reputation in the world, and Obama being at the helm of yet another invasion would really seal our coffin as a bunch of warmongering world police. We don't need that shit, and we shouldn't have to deal with it.

Honestly, fuck them. Wash our fucking hands of them. Be done dealing with them, be done giving a shit. What the fuck are they REALLY going to do? Lob a nuke into some water between us and them? MAYBE hit an outlying island somewhere? The loss would be negligable, and we'd have all the justification we'd need to exterminate the entire nation. Right now, we have no such justification. They have nothing. They have nothing we want. Fuck em. Let them threaten everyone else in that hemisphere...what they do over there shouldn't bother us in the slightest.

[Zeste]

Man, this is like an episode of the Unit. Our sleeper agent, Lisa Ling's sister, is probably setting up the bomb right now.

[Etoille]

Originally Posted by TheCutlery

I'm with McTuco.

There is zero benefit to the US attacking first. We already have a shit reputation in the world, and Obama being at the helm of yet another invasion would really seal our coffin as a bunch of warmongering world police. We don't need that shit, and we shouldn't have to deal with it.

Honestly, fuck them. Wash our fucking hands of them. Be done dealing with them, be done giving a shit. What the fuck are they REALLY going to do? Lob a nuke into some water between us and them? MAYBE hit an outlying island somewhere? The loss would be negligable, and we'd have all the justification we'd need to exterminate the entire nation. Right now, we have no such justification. They have nothing. They have nothing we want. Fuck em. Let them threaten everyone else in that hemisphere...what they do over there shouldn't bother us in the slightest.

Disagree. They could hit Alaska fairly easily (which would hurt us) and hit SK/Japan where we have a large number of troops.

Its not just the other side of the worlds problem; especially if a lot of things people buy in America are shipped from Japan/China/Taiwan.

I don't think its warmongering. *shrug* Time will tell I guess.

[Zhaun's_Shade]

Originally Posted by Etoille

Disagree. They could hit Alaska fairly easily (which would hurt us) and hit SK/Japan where we have a large number of troops.

Its not just the other side of the worlds problem; especially if a lot of things people buy in America are shipped from Japan/China/Taiwan.

I don't think its warmongering. *shrug* Time will tell I guess.

Their cheesy-ass missiles have to get past some pretty high-end missile defense gear to hit anything of consequence. I doubt that we will have our pants around our ankles if they decide to launch anything against us.

I think the best thing we could do is let them lunch their 1 missile, shoot the thing down then say "Now what, bitch?". They will look stupid, we will be applauded for our restraint, and hopefully they will STFU for a decade or so.

[Nocello]

Originally Posted by TheCutlery

I'm with McTuco.

There is zero benefit to the US attacking first. We already have a shit reputation in the world, and Obama being at the helm of yet another invasion would really seal our coffin as a bunch of warmongering world police. We don't need that shit, and we shouldn't have to deal with it.

Honestly, fuck them. Wash our fucking hands of them. Be done dealing with them, be done giving a shit. What the fuck are they REALLY going to do? Lob a nuke into some water between us and them? MAYBE hit an outlying island somewhere? The loss would be negligable, and we'd have all the justification we'd need to exterminate the entire nation. Right now, we have no such justification. They have nothing. They have nothing we want. Fuck em. Let them threaten everyone else in that hemisphere...what they do over there shouldn't bother us in the slightest.

You can't just turn a blind eye to them,these are the sick fucks who would glady sell nukes to terrorist nations.

[Zhaun's_Shade]

Someone neg'd me for thinking we (or the Japanese) can shoot down North Korean missiles.

Anyone want to tell me how come we can't? The Japanese even just bought and are setting up stuff to do just that, does it not work?

[TheCutlery]

Originally Posted by Nocello

You can't just turn a blind eye to them,these are the sick fucks who would glady sell nukes to terrorist nations.

And I think the events of the last 9 years have proven you can't just go around stomping on people's shit just because they might be a threat somewhere down the line.

We're not the fucking world police. We don't have the resources for that, and the rest of the world doesn't like it when we do. Fine, until they start paying our salaries and appreciating the fucking work we do, then fuck it. Let them nuke themselves. Anyone that dare touches American soil with any weapon gets their shit curbstomped back to the stone age, and they know it.

How many more billions of dollars do we wanna spend propping up other countries while we're rocking 10% unemployment and healthcare costs are bankrupting the nation?

[Seig]

Originally Posted by Zhaun's_Shade

Someone neg'd me for thinking we (or the Japanese) can shoot down North Korean missiles.

That would be me I have no idea if we can/can't shoot their missiles down or what the success rate is. It's just the cocky attitude people have where they act like our superior technology means there's no risks involved that annoys me.

I don't really understand the people in this thread how is it war mongering if we actually know that they have the weapons,they've tested them and they're threatening to attack us. With Iraq it's like they played pin the tail on the donkey and picked a country at random this situation really isn't similar at all.

Edit: I thought my point was pretty clear I don't know what were capable of and making assumptions that were safe just because we have the better technology isn't very smart.(I've read some more knowledgeable peoples opinions on the subject and they made it sound like we have a narrow window with no room for failure if they did launch it) The ship were following could just be a distraction who knows what their plans are.

[Zhaun's_Shade]

Originally Posted by Seig

That would be me I have no idea if we can/can't shoot their missiles down or what the success rate is. It's just the cocky attitude people have where they act like our superior technology means there's no risks involved that annoys me.

I don't really understand the people in this thread how is it war mongering if we actually know that they have the weapons,they've tested them and they're threatening to attack us. With Iraq it's like they played pin the tail on the donkey and picked a country at random this situation really isn't similar at all.

I really have very little idea what you just said.

The North Korean weapons are crap. They do not work well. We have spent billions in testing and engineering on systems to shoot *good* missiles down. I admit I am not an expert here, but I would figure we (US/Japan) are at a pretty low risk of being successfully nuked by North Korea.

If they could ninja one into South Korea... I am less confident.

[Sunder]

Originally Posted by Seig

I don't really understand the people in this thread how is it war mongering if we actually know that they have the weapons,they've tested them and they're threatening to attack us.

You don't understand how it's warmongering to actively attack another nation based solely on the fact they MIGHT attack us.... I guess we should have invaded the USSR and China too while we're at it, right? Fucking morons.

[Seig]

I never said we should attack them I don't really want a WW3 or the draft to be reinstated(unlikely but who knows how things will turn out). I think we'd be justified in attacking them if they don't back down. How are they not forcing us into war they're giving out ridiculous conditions and saying were declaring war on them if we don't follow their terms.

[Araxen]

If we were to goto war with NK the draft would be re-instated. There's no possibly way to goto war with NK without it. Our military is stretched way to thin as it is.

[TheCutlery]

Originally Posted by Seig

I never said we should attack them I don't really want a WW3 or the draft to be reinstated(unlikely but who knows how things will turn out). I think we'd be justified in attacking them if they don't back down. How are they not forcing us into war they're giving out ridiculous conditions and saying were declaring war on them if we don't follow their terms.

By your logic, we wouldda all been glass many times over by now. Think about that stance over the course of the cold war and try again.

The best course of action is seldom military action. Especially when your opponent poses little to no threat to you and is just trying to talk loudly so they seem more important. I mean really, think this out. They lob a missile our direction. Based upon past tests, it'll either break apart over the ocean somewhere, or the yield on the warhead will be so spectacularly low that the velocity of the missile's impact may actually do more damage than the explosion. It's also not likely to hit anything but MAYBE Alaska. So they kill some polar bears and take out a crab fishing boat. Deadliest catch will never be the same. Then what? You've blown your wad and done jack and shit, and gotten the only superpower left in the world pissed off. What do you think this does for your chance of survival? We come in late at night, and either nuke your fucking city, or just carpet bomb every military installation you have with laser guided munitions, and then we walk away and go "Don't make us come back here again this century."

I mean really. Where do you see this situation going that is so fucking dire as to require military action immediately?

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Originally Posted by Araxen

If we were to goto war with NK the draft would be re-instated. There's no possibly way to goto war with NK without it. Our military is stretched way to thin as it is.

Why is it our responsibility to always take the lead against the world's nuts? Why can't Europe get off their asses and do something? I am sick of the world living off us and then criticizing us at every step.

Hey Sweden, Canada, Mexico, Denmark, France, Germany, Italy. Do something besides burn American flags and take care of one of these issues. Your turn. Get some balls.

[Haus]

Well, a draft would get a lot of unemployed folks doing something for a wage. And it's pretty well established that a solid ground war can bring you out of a depression, not to mention spending a ton of money...

Who is it who would benefit most politically from lowering unemployment, bringing the economy out of the tank, and likes running up a deficit?....

But seriously, I agree that we let them fire one missile , shoot it down, and call their bluff. The problem is if they have a larger number of warheads ready than we think and can spread an attack well.