Man you actin lika child!

[Camerous]

Originally Posted by Quineloe

You're a fucking fascist then with no respect for your own fucking laws. Completly ridiculous.

But I see you never said I was wrong oh sucker of the liberal cock.

[dak]

But I see you never said I was wrong oh sucker of the liberal cock.

He lives in Germany, adjusting for European standards he is more of a fascist than that idiot manseed.

[Quineloe]

Originally Posted by Camerous

But I see you never said I was wrong oh sucker of the liberal cock.

So you think breaking your own laws isn't wrong? Interesting point of view.

Not only are you wrong, but you're also very unpatriotic. Why don't you convert to Islam, wrap a towel around your head and emigrate to some totalitarian muslim state?

Originally Posted by dak

He lives in Germany, adjusting for European standards he is more of a fascist than that idiot manseed.

fascism by european standards these days is what you guys call "slightly conservative"

[Screamfeeder]

Originally Posted by Camerous

Actually I don't think I they did. Here is the thing.. they thought he was suspicious... if you listen to the tape again the guy says I tried to do this out at the terminal so he could catch his flight but he wouldn't answer my questions.

If that was the case and all he had to do was answer their questions, then why was it, AFTER the FBI guy read the paperwork and AFTER the FBI guy got the answer they were looking for and AFTER the FBI guy said to let him go free, did the TSA agent say he still deemed this man suspicious and waited to call his supervisor? Didn't he just want some answers to his questions? Didn't that answer satisfy his suspicion? Nope. He STILL maintained that he was not letting him through the terminal till he cleared it with someone else.

If all he was after was a simple question then it should have been a done deal right then and there. Instead we have at least 6 more minutes of the TSA guy holding the man while he clears it with other people.

So it was not quite as easy as you said it was.

[Dantre]

@ the people calling this guy a douche.

What you're not getting is you have nothing to gain from answering their questions. Their job is to coax you into giving them ANYTHING - no matter how small, to keep you around longer until they can find something to use against you. People in positions of authority aren't innately good because of their authority. Likewise, they're not innately bad.

You think you're being a good citizen by cooperating but all you're doing is risking exposing yourself. If you want to go through this world on the assumption that people with authority, who are tasked with the job to enforce civil statutes (not common-law,) are innately good and should be cooperated with, then you're taking a HUGE gamble. Sure, there's good police out there. But if it just so happens you look like the man the officer's wife had an affair with, or he hasn't been laid in a week and wants to take it out on someone, any cooperation is grounds to expose yourself to countless infractions.

These people were intended to be our servants - our representatives, our guardians of common-law. They've instead become enforcers of civil statutes which are so numerous, it's impossible to not break.

By opting out of cooperation, you protect yourself.

The gamble is yours to take. I used to take it and got burned. Now, I do exactly what this person did.

[Kugbok_Fennin]

Originally Posted by The Ancient

Because I want to catch my flight, finish my drive home, etc.

Talk about no reading comprehension. he clearly states that he asked if was required by law to answer those questions because he was not educated as to that fact. He did not want to answer a question or not answer a question that could potentially be used against him.

[kedwyn]

I think part of the problem is many posters here approach this and every situation with the police or authority figure like a teenager with a dime bag in his pocket and they don't want to get caught.

I've declared large sums of cash going over the border before and I have never had an issue at all. When they ask why we have a large amount of cash its pretty easy to just tell them the truth. 200 gallons for the RV * ($4-5 gal at the time) means you need some cash to save on the cash discount price and to get around. We travel 3 -4 months in a stretch so we bring some greenbacks with us when we go. Never had a problem.

Do I have to answer? No, I can tell him to fuck off its not illegal. I also shouldn't be surprised when I'm checked out from head to toe regardless if I've done anything wrong because I'm acting like an ass hole with something to hide. AKA a criminal.

I might not be one but then again when do criminals walk up to the police and volunteer that the meth in the baggies was really thrown out by them after the cop chases him down and he has 4k in cash and they bust him for dealing?

Now if this guy had been traveling with 4 others all carrying 5k and they were making weekly trips out to Cayman to deposit money with Barklays bank to try and avoid paying taxes, or trying to clean up some dirty money you'd be happy they caught him.

Since he was some jack ass trying to make a scene he is some sort of fucking hero because he was detained and refused to answer anything. He put on a good show but he had every intention of doing this if they stopped him. Good for him, he showed those TSA and did us all not a damn bit of good because his rights were not violated. Once he was checked out and the suspicions were cleared he was released immediately. Even made his flight.

Originally Posted by Kugbok_Fennin

Talk about no reading comprehension. he clearly states that he asked if was required by law to answer those questions because he was not educated as to that fact. He did not want to answer a question or not answer a question that could potentially be used against him.

My feelings are he was trying to catch the officer into telling him something blatantly incorrect for a civil suit should they actually violate his rights.

[Quineloe]

Originally Posted by kedwyn

My feelings are he was trying to catch the officer into telling him something blatantly incorrect for a civil suit should they actually violate his rights.

God forbid someone actually takes a risk to maintain his rights. I mean, it should be good enough for him that they're written down somewhere, how can he reasonably expect his rights to actually matter in real life?

[kedwyn]

Originally Posted by Quineloe

God forbid someone actually takes a risk to maintain his rights. I mean, it should be good enough for him that they're written down somewhere, how can he reasonably expect his rights to actually matter in real life?

Right so the cops entrapping you to say something incriminating is the work of the devil but you trying to get a cop to make a mistake so you can profit on it is some sort of work of God?

Don't act like people's civil rights get violated like we live in some Nazi regime and we are forced to live in fear. Its nothing like that and the handful of times something truly serious happens the hammer generally drops pretty hard.

It also cuts both ways there are plenty of cops that get fucked over, including their families by criminals so lets show some outrage for that as well. I'd argue the tables are turned on the police far more than they are turned on an innocent person. It happens and it should be punished but lets not pretend its rampant or even a serious problem. I'd argue your stupid ass driving drunk is probably a much more serious public issue than this and much more common. How about we entrap these idiots into driving drunk so we can catch them too?

If you live in fear of a cop pulling you over then you really need to take a look at what you are doing in YOUR life because as a nation wide and world traveler I've NEVER had an issue or fear from the police in this country. Most people that have issues with cops tend to have issues because they think what they are doing shouldn't be illegal yet it is.

Seriously, I'm all for protecting our rights. His rights were not violated and his attempt to entrap an officer into violating his rights borders on bull shit to me. Perhaps not to you and thats fine but acting like he is some sort of hero is total horse shit.

If they had violated his rights, locked him up for 2 days or some other stupid shit then I'd be all over them and they would rightfully gotten sued / punished.

Going into it looking for something like some jack ass falling on the wet spot at Walmart looking for some $$ isn't worth clapping over. He can pretend to be a hero of civil rights, he is just a jackass hoping someone fucks up so he can make some $$ in a lawsuit.

[AladainAF]

Right so the cops entrapping you to say something incriminating is the work of the devil but you trying to get a cop to make a mistake so you can profit on it is some sort of work of God?

Public servants have a different standard to uphold than a "run of the mill" citizen per se.

[Astrocreep]

depending on the cop's attitude i wouldnt think twice about telling him why i was carrying around a wad of cash.

TSA: hey buddy, you got a lot of money here. did you win the lottery or something? Me: naw man i work with an electoral candidate and these are privately donated funds for the campaign. TSA: oh cool since nobody would make up a story like that you're free to go and i hope your guy wins as long as hes cool!

but if the cop goes
TSA: what the fuck is this here?! why do you have all this money? are you involved in drugs? Me: uh unless im legally required to tell you i dont see it as any of your business.

[Mario Speedwagon]

Only terrorists don't answer questions.

[simeon]

Some of you guys are fucking ludicrous.
Would you rather these constitutional rights not exist? When would it be appropriate to use these rights? If the event wasn't being recorded, would it be an appropriate use of the rights? Should citizens not care whether or not these officials are abusing their power? If they do care, is it bad to test these officials?

You guys need to learn that these rights exist so that American citizens don't get abused by a government's implied power. He was getting abused. End of story. Let's rewrite the story a little bit. Let's say that he answered the question...

Officer: "Why do you have so much money?"

"Sir, I got the money from a fund raising endeavor / merchandising for a Ron Paul campaign."

Officer: "Ron Paul hmm?"

"Yes sir, I feel that he is upholding our liberties that I feel have been waning over the years."

Officer: "Are you saying you don't like our government?"

"To be honest, no sir I don't. I would do anything if it would mean that Ron Paul wins the election."

Officer: "LIKE BLOW UP A PLANE!? UR GO2 JAIL!"


Let's use some fucking logic:
1) The job description of these TSA officers / police officers is to detain individuals who fall under a specified set of guidelines. (FACT)
2) This man did not fall under these guidelines. (FACT)
3) Therefore it can be concluded that these governmental officials were not abiding by their job description. (i.e: abusing their power). (IMPLIED BY LOGIC)

Some of you imbeciles are condoning abuse of power. If you think otherwise, you're a septic mouth breathing bottom-feeder.

[DeLLy]

So this guy doesn't answer their questions and they don't answer his?

Why don't they just man up and say NO you don't have to answer this fucking question. Are they trying to hide something? <--- (Another stupid way to try to get someone to talk)

[Quineloe]

Originally Posted by kedwyn

Right so the cops entrapping you to say something incriminating is the work of the devil but you trying to get a cop to make a mistake so you can profit on it is some sort of work of God?

Don't act like people's civil rights get violated like we live in some Nazi regime and we are forced to live in fear. Its nothing like that and the handful of times something truly serious happens the hammer generally drops pretty hard.

Now if there actually had been civil rights in the Third Reich you would have a point..