Man you actin lika child!

[Screamfeeder]

Originally Posted by GrobbeeTrull2.0

The law says you have to claim more than $10,000. He had less than that. He's not breaking any laws. Right?

None. Not a single law was broken. However, the TSA was in the right to question him about something they deemed as suspicious. However, he was not required by any law to answer any of their questions, nor was he to be detained or forced in any way to comply with their wished unless they wished to arrest him and charge him with...something.

Here is a link to the full audio. It's over 20:00 long. There is a lot that is missing from that video.

If you listen to the entire audio, it's pretty obvious what happens. TSA and Officer Dumbass have to call in the big bad FBI who does a quick background check and actually reads the documents that say its political money, then tells him he is free once the check comes back aces.

[earthfell]

Originally Posted by The Ancient

I don't get why you wouldn't answer questions unless you are purposely trying to create an incident.

OH WAIT! He was.


This isn't even news worthy. Man gets detained at airport after finding a suspiciously large amount of money on his person and then being extremely evasive thereby raising suspicions. Holy shit, DAMN THE MAN, we need to take to the streets.

Rodney King got the shit beat out of him, that was at least something that appeared unjust.

I was told, by a police officer, to never talk to the police. He told me a citizen NEVER benefits from talking to the police, the only thing that can ever come from it is incrimination. Whether or not you've done wrong.

This guy was completely in the right. He questioned the legitimacy of this authority, and they went nuts. Of course, if he was a black female this would have never been covered by FOX News. Stuff like this happens to black people all the time. Suspicion on the grounds of having dark skin instead of lots of cash. What makes this newsworthy is that it happened to a clean cut white All American male. They even point it out at the end of the video! "Does he look like a terrorist?!"

You are right to question the just/unjust aspect of this. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because they did it to a white male, when it SHOULD be because they did it PERIOD.

[Quineloe]

Originally Posted by Screamfeeder

None. Not a single law was broken. However, the TSA was in the right to question him about something they deemed as suspicious. However, he was not required by any law to answer any of their questions, nor was he to be detained or forced in any way to comply with their wished unless they wished to arrest him and charge him with...something.

There was no cause for suspicion.

[rangoth]

Originally Posted by Quineloe

There was no cause for suspicion.

See, I agree with almost all of what you sane people have to say, but I will still disagree with this.

Suspicion could be anything...a shifty stance, cash, sweating nervousness, etc. I am not angry that they were suspicious about this guy. All that I am saying is what myself a few others stated before hand. He didn't do anything legally wrong.

He has the right to ask if he is being detained(temporarily held until the agency can determine if they want to file charges) and asked questions(which he has full legal right not to answer).

That being said I do also respect some cops and detectives(ignore corruption and mall cops here for a bit and think real genuine police officer) who have been doing their line of work for years, they develope a "taste" or "gut instinct" about what is going on in their line of work. That is not a free pass for anything though, but it does let them detain suspicious individuals. They can then gather evidence to prove guilt and charge said person, or let them go because they were wrong.

[Quineloe]

"he looked at me the wrong way" and LESS THAN HALF of the moneylimit are not probable causes for suspicion.

Airport security around the world has been given power way beyond what any other regular law enforcement agency has and the authority backing that power up is no law, no jurisdiction. It's simply the extreme hassle of missing your flight.

[Elurin]

Originally Posted by rangoth

See, I agree with almost all of what you sane people have to say, but I will still disagree with this.

Suspicion could be anything...a shifty stance, cash, sweating nervousness, etc. I am not angry that they were suspicious about this guy. All that I am saying is what myself a few others stated before hand. He didn't do anything legally wrong.

Actually, you're wrong here. There was a case that went to court (forgive me for not looking it up; I believe it went all the way to the Supreme Court, however) about just this. A man was in the airport and kept looking back at another man. They both had just a carry-on bag, both were similar bags. When they got to their destination, they left together, raising the suspicions of either a DEA agent or FBI agent, can't remember. The agent detained the two "suspects," and later found out they had cocaine. Later, the court ruled that the behavior of the two men was NOT grounds for detaining them. All evidence was thrown out based on 4th Amendment violation.

You can search Google for all kinds of similar cases that took place in an airport and were later thrown out.

Edit: It was the Supreme Court REID V. GEORGIA, 448 U. S. 438 (1980) -- US Supreme Court Cases from Justia & Oyez
It was in 1980 however, so I'm not sure how that plays out. I'm not a lawyer or anything, so I don't know if the fact that the Supreme Court ruled the case in this way has any bearing on cases post 9/11.

[rangoth]

Originally Posted by Elurin

stuff

I guess I am wrong then, but that's kinda shitty. I wouldn't think suspicion gives the right for search(which you need a warrent for) and I don't think suspicion is enough(or should be enough) to get a warrent, for that I would hope one needs proof. But to just suspect the person and watch them or whatever to find out whats going on...anyone can do that for anything I would think.

Ohh well, I need to go back to e-law I guess.

[earthfell]

Originally Posted by rangoth

I guess I am wrong then, but that's kinda shitty. I wouldn't think suspicion gives the right for search(which you need a warrent for) and I don't think suspicion is enough(or should be enough) to get a warrent, for that I would hope one needs proof. But to just suspect the person and watch them or whatever to find out whats going on...anyone can do that for anything I would think.

Ohh well, I need to go back to e-law I guess.

while you're there you should pay a visit to e-dictionary and learn to spell warrant














lol, sorry, too good a jab to pass up

[Elurin]

Originally Posted by rangoth

I guess I am wrong then, but that's kinda shitty.

Maybe. Like I said, it was a case from 1980. This is the post-Patriot Act America, where your Constitutional rights aren't guaranteed anymore. I couldn't tell you what constitutes unnecessary search and seizure, or whether previous judicial rulings mean a damn in this type of circumstance.

[Bornalon]

airliners have a right to know what is being brought onto their planes, especially in the passenger area. i wouldn't take any offense to a carry-on search because it serves to increase the security of the airliner and the safety of the passengers.

however, being detained and threatened despite having no contraband should not be tolerated. the only "offense" this guy committed, from the perspective of those TSA agents, is upholding his legal rights. they then went on a power trip. so it goes.

i don't care if you're a black-arab man who wears a trench coat, speaks little english, and is eying everyone suspiciously. if you are searched and have no contraband/other material that poses no danger to other passengers, you should not be detained, threatened, or belittled by government agencies. it's common decency, really.

[Camerous]

Actually I don't think I they did. Here is the thing.. they thought he was suspicious... if you listen to the tape again the guy says I tried to do this out at the terminal so he could catch his flight but he wouldn't answer my questions. If I was one of the TSA agents and some guy had 5 grand and wouldn't tell me why he had the money I would detain him too. All the guy had to do is say I got it from fund raising for my company. Boom done deal. But the guy WANTED to cause a scene or he wouldn't have recorded the whole thing. Further more you same people crying about his liberties are the same people who would have said "OMG he had 5 grand on him!! Why didn't you stop him!!!' if the guy had blown up a building the next week with explosives he bought with that 5 grand. Never can make you fuckers happy.. either security is too lax and we are all in danger or the "MAN" is out to steal all out liberties... *shakes head* Stupid fucker should have just answered the question polity and got on the fucking plane.

[Quineloe]

Originally Posted by Camerous

Actually I don't think I they did. Here is the thing.. they thought he was suspicious... if you listen to the tape again the guy says I tried to do this out at the terminal so he could catch his flight but he wouldn't answer my questions. If I was one of the TSA agents and some guy had 5 grand and wouldn't tell me why he had the money I would detain him too.

You're a fucking fascist then with no respect for your own fucking laws.

"OMG he had 5 grand on him!! Why didn't you stop him!!!' if the guy had blown up a building the next week with explosives he bought with that 5 grand

Completly ridiculous.

[sentagur]

Originally Posted by Camerous

Actually I don't think I they did. Here is the thing.. they thought he was suspicious... if you listen to the tape again the guy says I tried to do this out at the terminal so he could catch his flight but he wouldn't answer my questions. If I was one of the TSA agents and some guy had 5 grand and wouldn't tell me why he had the money I would detain him too. All the guy had to do is say I got it from fund raising for my company. Boom done deal. But the guy WANTED to cause a scene or he wouldn't have recorded the whole thing. Further more you same people crying about his liberties are the same people who would have said "OMG he had 5 grand on him!! Why didn't you stop him!!!' if the guy had blown up a building the next week with explosives he bought with that 5 grand. Never can make you fuckers happy.. either security is too lax and we are all in danger or the "MAN" is out to steal all out liberties... *shakes head* Stupid fucker should have just answered the question polity and got on the fucking plane.

Are you serious.
The TSA doesn't have the right to know where he got the money or what he plans to do with it, the only people i would expect to have rights to that info is IRS.

I am all for tightening security on airports but bothering people about useless shit is not tightening security.
Its wasting everyone's time and it does not improve security in any way.

[Arbitrary]

That guy did exactly what everyone should always do. You do not fucking answer questions to fucking anyone about anything. Police? FBI? DEA? Does not matter. You have constitutional rights period end of story.

That guy even made the plane on time.

[The Ancient]

Originally Posted by Arbitrary

That guy did exactly what everyone should always do. You do not fucking answer questions to fucking anyone about anything. Police? FBI? DEA? Does not matter. You have constitutional rights period end of story.

That guy even made the plane on time.

Oh shit. He didn't even miss his flight? We definately need to march on Washington tomorrow. What is this country coming to when security officers can MILDLY INCONVINIENCE US!