Octuplet Mom may be SoL

[Azrayne]

they will have the same environment as millions of poor kids in america have. unless you want all those kids taken away from their parents and put into "healthy environments" then you need to rethink what you're suggesting. what we know about her isnt that extreme, she is poor and does stupid shit like have more kids and buy frivolous things. shocker dude, real shocker.

There's a difference between someone poor and stupid earning (and I use the term loosely) $500 a week trying to raise 2 or 3 kids, and trying to raise 14 kids. That's my point. Yes she's no worse, but she has 3 - 5 times as many kids as these other parents do, of course it's going to be that much harder to raise them, and they'll suffer that much more as a result.

There just isn't enough to go around in a family that huge and that poor. That's the simple fact of it. Look at the issue realistically.

[Knucklehead]

Originally Posted by Astrocreep

Look, im not stupid,

heehee

[Smithiy]

Originally Posted by Astrocreep

Look, im not stupid, i know those kids are gonna have a rough life, but if they are in a loving home with a mother who cares about them then they are not being neglected no matter how many other kids she already has. its none of our business to interfere with her life as long as those kids are not abused. in this country the worst hardship those kids will face is not having cable tv or a cellphone.

yet we send fucking billions of dollars to africa and other third world country to enable starving aids ridden drug addicted men and women to give birth to multiple staving aids ridden and drug addicted babies so they can repeat the process. its fucking hypocritical to give this woman shit.

Are you retarded, or do you actually support the in-mass procreation of children doomed for failure. Having children is a fact of life, no one is going to doubt that. However, for the best interest of the children being born in this country, regardless of their mother, is generally going to mean that they be in households where they are going to receive proper care.

Do honestly believe that these children living in a 3 bedroom home that is under foreclosure, being raised by a single mother who seems to prioritize her spending in regards to plastic surgery so that she can look like Angelina Jolie, is in any way a suitable environment for any child to grow up in? Your fucking retarded if you think this woman actually cares about the children she's pumping out. Don't compare this shit to Africa, this is a first world country where we can do something about this shit, and taking the children away from her and giving them to someone who will be able to raise them in a suitable environment is the first step.

[Mario Speedwagon]

Obviously, the state should have taken astro away from his parents. Or forced abortion.

[Smithiy]

Originally Posted by Astrocreep

those kids will get the same amount of public assistance as 14 other poor children in other single family homes. i dont see how taking the kids away from the mother and putting them in a unloved foster home or an orphanage (with hundreds of unrelated and nasty kids) will improve their lives. its their mom we are talking about here. the number of kids she has is irrelevant.

im not sticking up for this woman in particular, im against any group of elitist who think poor people are unable to provide a suitable home for their children and so have to poke their fucking noses in their business. if you want to call that trolling then whatthefuckever

There's enough media interest to find homes for these children, I guarantee it.

[Astrocreep]

Originally Posted by Azrayne

There's a difference between someone poor and stupid earning (and I use the term loosely) $500 a week trying to raise 2 or 3 kids, and trying to raise 14 kids. That's my point. Yes she's no worse, but she has 3 - 5 times as many kids as these other parents do, of course it's going to be that much harder to raise them, and they'll suffer that much more as a result.

There just isn't enough to go around in a family that huge and that poor. That's the simple fact of it. Look at the issue realistically.

ill admit i dont know that much about welfare or public assistance but i think they give money per kid. so 14 kids is like 14 checks every month. shes no worse off than a welfare mother with a single kid. Octomom's time will be less devoted to 14 than with say just 1 but as long as the kids know their mother loves them and she attempts to care for them then i dont see the harm in her having custody of them.

let me say this, any family with 14 kids is going to be in the same boat of time spent/caring for their kids no matter how wealthy they are.

-edit. thanks Knucklehead, im assuming that was you

[Azrayne]

Originally Posted by Astrocreep

ill admit i dont know that much about welfare or public assistance but i think they give money per kid. so 14 kids is like 14 checks every month. shes no worse off than a welfare mother with a single kid. Octomom's time will be less devoted to 14 than with say just 1 but as long as the kids know their mother loves them and she attempts to care for them then i dont see the harm in her having custody of them.

let me say this, any family with 14 kids is going to be in the same boat of time spent/caring for their kids no matter how wealthy they are.

-edit. thanks Knucklehead, im assuming that was you

It's not just a question of money, even if you are right, and I somehow doubt she will receive adequate income. They're living in a 3 bedroom house at risk of foreclosure. She obviously has very messed up priorities to begin with. And I still just plain think that 14 kids is too much for one single mother to handle, when 8 of them are the same age.

[Smithiy]

Originally Posted by Astrocreep

ill admit i dont know that much about welfare or public assistance but i think they give money per kid. so 14 kids is like 14 checks every month. shes no worse off than a welfare mother with a single kid. Octomom's time will be less devoted to 14 than with say just 1 but as long as the kids know their mother loves them and she attempts to care for them then i dont see the harm in her having custody of them.

let me say this, any family with 14 kids is going to be in the same boat of time spent/caring for their kids no matter how wealthy they are.

-edit. thanks Knucklehead, im assuming that was you

I've seen two parents neglect a child enough to the point that he attempted suicide, this was someone who had two parents as power lawyers, they just had absolutely no involvement in their childs life. This has nothing to do with the number of children or child/parent ratio whatever logic your trying to reason with this, this has to do with the fact that the mom does not have the fiscal resources to properly raise children as well as the wherewithal to give them proper care. These are the kind of children that are going to be locked up the house 24/7 doing God knows what or playing in the middle of the street unsupervised.

[Nazbuk]

Originally Posted by Astrocreep

so if she wanted to have 14 abortions everyone would support her rights but becuase she wants to raise 14 children you are all over her shit with hate?

Yep, beacuse I'm not paying for the abortions.

[sentagur]

How can some one with 6 Kids, living in a home that is in danger of being foreclosed and allegedly had plastic surgery to look like a movie star have money for artificial insemination.

Also what can you say about mental health of a mother of 6 that is barely scraping by that decide that she wants more children.

I am sorry but i dont see how a person like this can take care of that many children without neglecting them.

[Blide]

Originally Posted by sentagur

How can some one with 6 Kids, living in a home that is in danger of being foreclosed and allegedly had plastic surgery to look like a movie star have money for artificial insemination.

A disability settlement.

[Lewstelamon]

Originally Posted by Mario Speedwagon

Obviously, the state should have taken astro away from his parents. Or forced abortion.

Better late than never.

[Zhaun's_Shade]

This woman is clearly irresponable and arguably incapable of raising these children. There is a serious question of this woman's mental/emotional capacity in my opinion.

And yes, I am opposed to people below a certain level of wealth and a certain level of responsability having children. I fully believe you should only have children if you can afford to care for them financialy and emotionally. People who do otherwise are irresponsable in my opinon.

I would support reasonable legislation to somehow require a licence to breed on a per-pregnancy basis (I know it is kind of a pipe-dream).

The reason I believe so strongly about this stuff is because it is the children who pay for the actions of the parents more than the parents do when it comes to these issues.

Finally, I have no sympathy for this woman because she spawned her litter then looked for the hand-outs. She also did a procedure to give her a high chance of having so many kids, when she clearly can't afford the ones she already had. This woman has made horrible, horrible decisions and I have no sympathy for her being kicked in the ass over it.

[Araxen]

Originally Posted by Zhaun's_Shade

I would support reasonable legislation to somehow require a licence to breed on a per-pregnancy basis (I know it is kind of a pipe-dream).

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Not that I disagree with you because I actually agree with you on this. It would be nice to see, but it'll never happen. People scream CHINA, CHINA, COMMUNISTS, etc, when this kind of shit is brought up. Maybe when the NWO and the Reptiillan Overlords finally take over it'll happen.

[Zhaun's_Shade]

Originally Posted by Araxen

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Not that I disagree with you because I actually agree with you on this. It would be nice to see, but it'll never happen. People scream CHINA, CHINA, COMMUNISTS, etc, when this kind of shit is brought up. Maybe when the NWO and the Reptiillan Overlords finally take over it'll happen.

Good call. They would get my vote if they cracked down on all this disgusting human breeding.