Health Care

[CnCGOD]

To cover myself I spend ~ 80 a month for very good heathcare. It helps when your company pays 75% .

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Originally Posted by Zhaun's_Shade

I'd sacrifice babies to spend that little of a percentage on healthcare

I think it's just like the drinking one - the majority of people have healthcare subsidized by their employers and so spend virtually nothing on it. I insure my whole family (wife/kids) for something like $50/wk. There are many people who spend a large amount of their money on healthcare, but that isn't the norm.

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Health Care Reform is Obama's Iraq War. If it passes he could possibly be a one term President. If it fails he is safe. I simply do not understand why Democrats would want this bill to pass. It makes no sense whatsoever. Not only could Health Care Reform destroy Obama's Presidency but it could destroy the Democrat party.

Health care is not a right. If you chose to eat fast food, smoke, and/or drink then you take the consequences.

However, Republicans are too fucking stupid to exploit the situation and to actually stop it. Chairman Idiot says:

RNC chairman: Obama's health care is socialism

I am not sure when Republicans will understand that hyperbole and saying dumb shit will not work. Dumbasses.

[Lleauaric~EW]

IRB..

THE SYSTEM IS FUCKING BROKEN. Do you not understand that? Its not about everyone getting healthcare, its about salvaging something that is going to fucking crash.

Heres the math. 65% of all money spent on health care comes from people 65 and older. 95% of those people are on Medicare. Another 60 Million Americans are on Medicaid.

The government cannot afford to pay the full price of the sevices these people need. At BEST they are paying 80%. Hospitals and Doctors are cost shifting that difference to the people on private insurance. As the boomers get older, the losses will be greater and more costs will be shifted to the private sector. Even with that, hospitals are going under daily.

So in order to survive the costs for private insurance escalates. Every American will either have to take drastic reductions in health care quality or simply do without because it is too expensive. Businesses under contract with unions will go under.

Anyone got a better plan to reduce costs? No? thought so.

Originally Posted by I'm Rich Bitch

If you chose to eat fast food, smoke, and/or drink then you take the consequences.

Are you fucking stupid? {rhetorical}
How about I grab you by the back of your fucking neck and take you through a tour of the Childrens Hospital where my wife works. You find me one child who did a fucking thing wrong. You can explain about what a privilege staying alive is.

Then we can talk to the parents who are under insured for the shit that is happening to their child.

I should say I hope you never get hit by a car. But, no, fuck you. I hope you do get hit by a fucking car, right after you let a insurance payment lapse.

Originally Posted by CnCGod

To cover myself I spend ~ 80 a month for very good heathcare. It helps when your company pays 75%

What reform is all about is trying to SAVE that for you. The way it is now... that shit can't last, and your company wont be able to afford to pay 75%, or even 50%.... and the coverage you DO get won't be so very good any more.

[cosmic_cs]

Originally Posted by I'm Rich Bitch

Health care is not a right. If you chose to eat fast food, smoke, and/or drink then you take the consequences.

Well, if more people had health insurance, they would be more informed about their bad habits and perhaps take action to stop them. Many people don't really understand why some habits are bad for them.

This would decrease the burden on the health system. Plus, health care is not a right, but these people will still go to the ER without paying.

[Zhaun's_Shade]

Originally Posted by Lleauaric~EW

Are you fucking stupid? {rhetorical}
How about I grab you by the back of your fucking neck and take you through a tour of the Childrens Hospital where my wife works. You find me one child who did a fucking thing wrong. You can explain about what a privilege staying alive is.

Then we can talk to the parents who are under insured for the shit that is happening to their child.

I should say I hope you never get hit by a car. But, no, fuck you. I hope you do get hit by a fucking car, right after you let a insurance payment lapse.

Genetics are the childs fault!

To elaborate, this is one of the worst finacial burdens on a family. When they end up with a family member incapacitated or near-incapacitated by and uncontrollable circumstance. Not only does it end up costing a shit load for them, they are almost always in for insurance problems and often end up losing out on an earner in the family. These are the situations that concern me the most.

[Lleauaric~EW]

Originally Posted by Zhaun's_Shade

Genetics are the childs fault!

I have no explaination for these people.

[Lyenae]

Originally Posted by Lleauaric~EW

Anyone got a better plan to reduce costs? No? thought so.

It's not the federal government's place to step into any business or service outside of its constitutional jurisdiction and force reduction in costs for the sake of reducing costs through regulations. That's a huge overstepping of bounds, though apparently it's done it many times before and will do so again, and no one will do or say anything to stop it...

[chaos]

Overstepping of bounds to you, providing for the general welfare for me. You say tomato, I say health care is a fundamental right and responsibility. Difference is, I'm right, and you're a pseudo-intellectual postulating about theory without any real world application. That's why you can say things about the free market like you do, because it's all academic. We all know that the consequences of a truly free market would be disastrous, you claim otherwise, and you'll never have to go all in because you know that it will never happen. Because smarter people than you run things. Go read Wealth of Nations again and fuck off.

[GrobbeeTrull2.0]

In much the same way that the Government can require all of it's citizens to pass a test to drive on roads (for the safety of everyone involved) the government can require everyone to have insurance (for the safety of everyone involved), and if none is available to fill that need, provide it as competition to private companies.

By having everyone insured, prices will go down. Voila.

[Sharmai]

it's amazing how excessive the amount of information exists to prove Obama's birth certificate is legit yet they still argue about it.

FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

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Originally Posted by GrobbeeTrull2.0

In much the same way that the Government can require all of it's citizens to pass a test to drive on roads (for the safety of everyone involved) the government can require everyone to have insurance (for the safety of everyone involved), and if none is available to fill that need, provide it as competition to private companies.

By having everyone insured, prices will go down. Voila.

Well, not to nitpick, but the license to drive regs are state level which aren't limited by the enumerated powers federal constitution.

[Tortfeasor]

Originally Posted by Lyenae

It's not the federal government's place to step into any business or service outside of its constitutional jurisdiction and force reduction in costs for the sake of reducing costs through regulations. That's a huge overstepping of bounds, though apparently it's done it many times before and will do so again, and no one will do or say anything to stop it...

The constitution gives power to congress to regulate commerce in Article 1 section 8. The Supreme Court has done and said things on many occasions to stop congress from overstepping its bounds such as in Wickard v. Filburn, 317 U.S. 111, 121 (1942). So, yeah...

Maybe you should run for office, you seem to have everything figured out.

[The Ancient]

Originally Posted by GrobbeeTrull2.0

By having everyone insured, prices will go down. Voila.

Connect the dots for me please and tell me why having everyone insured automatically = health care system fixed.

[Arbitrary]

I think the idea is that one of the causes for the costs of healthcare are the uninsured. If you get get everyone actually into the system than that is better than having most in, 45 million out, and other people having to pick up their tab. I'm just guessing here though.