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07-09-2009, 01:09 PM
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| eats paste Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: fresno, ca
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China is pressing for a global currency. Same thing the Bush/Obama systems support. They are blocking the attempts to audit the federal reserve. It isn't crazy it just sounds crazy. They ARE trying to centralize a government aka NEW WORLD ORDER. Obama even states it in SEVERAL of his speeches but yet I'm the lunatic. Fuck you ignorant prick. What do you think is being discussed at the G8 summit going on right now? Global Currency. That is the first fucking step. And if you think debt to the bankers is bad now, wait until they control EVERYTHING even the rogue nations who aren't assimilated yet. | |
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07-09-2009, 01:13 PM
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| eats paste Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: fresno, ca
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Do people who break the law follow the law? So will the law do anything to protect the people most likely to commit a fucking crime? All it will do is make people who were not already breaking a law, break a law that has no business being a law. Do gangs and mobs still have automatic weapons, granades and other highly illegal weapons? Are you that dense? Do you really think this will make America Safer? | |
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07-09-2009, 01:22 PM
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| The Educated Fool  Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA
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I don't think *anything* will necessarily make America safer. I'm also not particularly worried about my safety, or that of my family. We have laws on the books to mitigate dangerous factors as much as possible. It's why you can't buy a fully automatic weapon, for instance. Can someone get one if they really try? Sure, but it makes it harder. How many *more* lawbreakers would have full auto machine guns if it they could just go to a corner store rather than interfacing with the black market? The fact that people will break laws does not preclude the need for them. You're making an argument for anarchy, which I don't think is what you're intended. Laws are never 100% effective, but they're designed to mitigate factors in our society that might be a danger or irritation. Some work better than others. | |
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07-09-2009, 01:28 PM
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| Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007
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| Fuck Israel. I say we let these unappreciative fuckers go it alone. Let the Middle East overrun them. Let big and bad Netanyahu handle the rockets up his ass by himself. Now is the time for the US to cut it's ties with them. They need to go back to Europe where they belong. Quote:
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07-09-2009, 01:34 PM
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| eats paste Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: fresno, ca
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No I'm not making an argument for anarchy. I'm making an argument of reason. I'm not sure where you live but if it was that hard to get automatic weapons, why did my city police just bust a major stash of military grade weaponry? Obviously you think punishing the many because of the few is the right thing to do. Our Constitution mandates that one of the government's job is to secure the blessings of liberty. No I don't need a fucking fully automatic weapon. But there is zero reason I should not be allowed to purchase one simply because they are used by criminals. With the law as it stands, I cannot have one but criminals do. What do you not understand. Laws are only effective on those who choose to obey them. Period. You want violence to stop? Try education. Try better parenting. Those will go farther to curb the violence than taking the freedom of law abiding citizens. With freedom comes responsibility. With responsibility comes consequences. Consequences for unwarranted gun violence is already on the books. California especially. If you took child development or even a basic psychology class you would know that if you do not give people the opportunity to behave responsibly they will not acquire the skills to be responsible. The more rights and freedoms you take away, the more rights and freedoms you must then take away because we as a society will eventually not be able to be responsible for ourselves. Blame everyone else is the montra. | |
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07-09-2009, 01:40 PM
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| Registered User  Join Date: May 2002
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| You can buy a fully automatic weapon in the US and legally own it. It's a $200 "tax stamp" that has to be filed for and your controlling law enforecement authority has to sign off on it. Meaning your sherrif, district attorney, police chief, judge etc...depending on where you live. It's no problem around here. The downside nowdays to getting one is the price, prior to the 1986 ban on new full auto weapons you could buy one for less than $300 and now the same weapon will sell for $10,000 or more due to artificially low supply. Same process for owning a suppresor, a rifle with a barrel shorter than 16", and a convertible firearm from rifle stock to pistol. |
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07-09-2009, 01:45 PM
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| The Educated Fool Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA
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+19 Internets | Dude, you're still missing it. Great, your police did their job and *enforced the law* by busting a stash of automatic weapons. That's awesome, the law worked, and criminals had their guns taken away. We're both in favor of that right? Now imagine if those same criminals could just go get a machine gun anywhere, and own it legally. The police wouldn't be able to raid and arrest them for owning those guns, they'd have to wait until they gun down a citizen or an officer instead. You're not being punished because of criminals; we're all, criminal and law abiding citizen alike, being subjected to laws that on the whole make our society safer, at least in aggregate. Can those laws be broken? Yup, just like any other. In no way is that a viable argument for repealing the laws in question until a majority of Americans choose to voice that opinion. I strongly doubt you would find a majority of Americans in favor of private ownership of machine guns. It's no different than drugs or any other controversial subject. Personally I find the drug war absurd, we probably agree on that. Unfortunately, a lot of Americans don't, so drugs are still illegal. Maybe in the future they won't be. Point is, restricting drug access isn't part of The Man coming down on you, or part of some big conspiracy to control the world. |
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07-09-2009, 02:25 PM
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| Death Panel Supporter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Rhode Island
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07-09-2009, 02:35 PM
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| Llama  Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA
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+4 Internets | What I find funny is that the complaint about greater centralization has been going on from years. Whether or not its real progress, the political unit has been evolving from city -> nation -> nation-state for quite awhile. The evolution to global-state is pretty inevitable unless we were to change the fundamental paradigms of our politics. (Such as a conversion to anarcho-syndicism )
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07-09-2009, 02:36 PM
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| Mmm Caffeine Makes It All Better  Join Date: Aug 2007
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| Dude yknits is hysterical LOL. He reminds me of the guy who used to be outside...what hall was it at Michigan State....Baker? With the big sign which was a list of people going to hell. Fucking hilarious.
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