Health Care

[Torvon]

Originally Posted by The Edge

You're claiming that if Obama could get them to air his video, then what's to stop him from doing this every night? Do you not follow?

The fact is, he isn't doing this every night. It's a special occasion and deserves special coverage.

I'm not claiming if Fox covers this speech then Obama is going to request prime time every night. If I were claiming that, it would be a slippery slope argument. I'm saying if we use your "logic" than if Obama asked for every night Fox would have to give it to him or they couldn't be considered fair and balanced.





Do you not follow?

[The Edge]

Originally Posted by Torvon

I'm not claiming if Fox covers this speech then Obama is going to request prime time every night. If I were claiming that, it would be a slippery slope argument. I'm saying if we use your "logic" than if Obama asked for every night Fox would have to give it to him or they couldn't be considered fair and balanced.





Do you not follow?

But he's not, nor is he showing any indication of doing so. You defense is unwarranted.

[Torvon]

Originally Posted by The Edge

But he's not, nor is he showing any indication of doing so. You defense is unwarranted.

I was using an example to demonstrate to you how your logic is flawed. You know that big "if" word I was putting in front of the claim you are trying to hold me to? It's a nifty little word.

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Fox News is trying to destroy this country. Is Rupert Murdock even an American citizen? Fox News is in the top 10 of threats this country faces along with Al-Qaeda. They are a terrorist organization. Although what is good for Fox News is bad for the Republican Party. Something seriously should be done about that piece of trash.

Our comfort will be that Fox will keep the Republicans out of office for a very long time as it will continue to show the ugly face of the Republican party and keep Republicans stupid. Perhaps even 40 years.

[The Edge]

Originally Posted by Torvon

I was using an example to demonstrate to you how your logic is flawed. You know that big "if" word I was putting in front of the claim you are trying to hold me to? It's a nifty little word.

With "if" you could put any meaningless subject after it. What you're saying is your post was worthless. Your attempt to point out any flaw was pointless. Your entire goal was to be inflammatory which makes you look like a dick.

[Torvon]

Originally Posted by The Edge

With "if" you could put any meaningless subject after it. What you're saying is your post was worthless. Your attempt to point out any flaw was pointless. Your entire goal was to be inflammatory which makes you look like a dick.

Wtf are you talking about? I need to pick a fight with IRB, at least he makes some sense.

[chaos]

Honestly this isn't a big deal, Fox is worried about sweeps. And we're talking about the Fox broadcast network, not the Fox cable news network.

But yeah, your "example" was terrible. Well what if Obama demanded that Rupert Murdoch deliver the heart of his firstborn son then you would be all "totally not fair and balanced!" and that's bullshit! What if Obama demanded that Fox News air 24/7 amateur foot fetish porn? What if LOVE WAS OVER?

[Astrocreep]

so i waited 2 weeks for Lost to come back on and now its not going to air?
why do networks have to air this shit anyway? isnt boring politics what radio PBS, and cable news is for? please dont tell me 100 days in office is a special occasion worth disrupting television over.

[chaos]

Wait wait wait... they are fucking preempting LOST? Oh fuck this shit, Barry needs to get the fuck off my shows.

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Originally Posted by chaos

Well what if Obama demanded that Rupert Murdoch deliver the heart of his firstborn son then you would be all "totally not fair and balanced!"

If it were Murdock's son it would not have a heart like his father.

[Haus]

I think Fox is simply making a calculated move.

I believe their numbers they got from the last prime time presidential speech were under what they normally get from the shows in that time slot. So they figure they will air the shows. Also, they will probably benefit from the number of people who have little or no interest in watching Obama read another speech off his teleprompter. Win-win for Fox. It will be on several other networks for those who want to watch, plus since it's commercial free you make no money off it.

On the topic of why he's having this speech. The "first 100 days" thing is the Hallmark Holiday of the political world. There's no real significance of his first 100 days as opposed to his first 150 or 200 days.

I do have a question though, if he was elected on a mandate to change how Washington DC worked, why are they positioning to use the same parliamentary "silence the minority" move to put his health care reform through that Bush used to put his tax cuts through? That being slipping it through under the heading of budget reconciliation as to avoid any extensive debate and give no chance of a filibuster?

I think that is an honest question, why would he do all these things Bush did when he was elected because of how much people were unhappy about Bush and the Republicans? Seems a little disingenuous to me.

[chaos]

Well, good or bad, I think he has definitely changed a lot of things from the way Bush did them. You can point out a few things I'm sure, but overall there's been a huge departure in policy and attitude.

I may not know much, but I do know that filibusters are faggotry and I'm pretty tired of them at this point. The concept of the filibuster was not for it to be used on EVERY SINGLE piece of legislation. Yet another item on the pile of shit bogging down our legislative process.

Seriously, every single piece of legislation that has been proposed comes under at least the threat of filibuster. I honestly don't have a lot of sympathy for the minority party when that's all they've got.

[Sharmai]

Haus I think people were more pissed off with the legislation Bush pushed through not always how.. (though that played a part). Besides the point Obama has said several times now he was and is willing to work with republicans and their alternative ideas.. They just aren't giving him any. And after the stimulus bill fiasco where zero republicans supported him he is tired of them not even trying to offer alternative solutions.

[Angerz]

Originally Posted by chaos

Wait wait wait... they are fucking preempting LOST? Oh fuck this shit, Barry needs to get the fuck off my shows.

Assuming his speech runs under an hour, or at least close to it, no they won't

[Haus]

Originally Posted by chaos

I may not know much, but I do know that filibusters are faggotry and I'm pretty tired of them at this point. The concept of the filibuster was not for it to be used on EVERY SINGLE piece of legislation. Yet another item on the pile of shit bogging down our legislative process.

This is where you and I will need to agree to disagree. When you don't have a mechanism for the minority party in a two party system to resist straight party voting you get what is referred to as the Tyranny of the majority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. I am a Republican/Conservative, and I still didn't have a problem when the Democrats were in the minority in the Senate and would threaten Filibustering. This is because it would cause Republican driven legislation to have to adopt aspects of the Democratic party approach in order to gave enough traction to overcome the 60 vote barrier. This is good because it guarantees a voice , even when one party is not in the majority. Works both ways, and I think it's a good thing.

I also don't see a lot operationally different from when Bush was in office. And he's broken some promises made in his campaign that were the cornerstones of "change you can believe in" mantra.
All bills will be posted on the internet for 5 days of public review before passing - broken with the stimulus bill
All earmarks will be carefully scrutinized - broken with the signing of the Omnibus spending bill (7000+ earmarks) which nobody involved with even fully read. (like the stimulus)
Will work towards bipartisanship - Stimulus package was written behind closed doors, by nothing but democrats. The only bipartisan input was putting the needed clauses in to secure three republican votes in the senate to prevent possible filibuster. He's had "meetings with republican leaders" which have essentially boiled down to him saying "I won, get over it." That's not bipartisanship.
Will stop the level to which lobbyists rotate in and out of positions of political power - Then proceeds to appoint ex-lobbyists to his cabinet in positions over decisions that are directly related to who they used to lobby for.

There's a website called the Obameter (PolitiFact | The Obameter: Tracking Barack Obama's Campaign Promises) that covers more. Not saying he hasn't also kept some campaign promises, but it shouldn't ever be a question of "what percentage of his promises will he keep."

Originally Posted by Angerz

Assuming his speech runs under an hour, or at least close to it, no they won't

So they're gonna preempt Scrubs and Better Off Ted? That pisses me off more than Lost.....