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Tyen · 01-05-2009, 07:09 PM

If I were to install windows 7 x86 what drivers should I be looking for?

Lenardo · 01-05-2009, 07:13 PM

pretty sure 7 uses vista drivers, i could be wrong.

Voyce · 01-05-2009, 07:55 PM

Sounds like garbage to me, let me address my vista qualms, and what will likely be windows 7 qualms.

Firstly I don't care what their revenue scheme is, or the way they make money if Microsoft can't include word, and some butchered down photo shop "like" app in their OS they will lose their WP dominance. Adding functionality to wordpad and paint is a fucking insult and whoever thought they could get away with it should have their balls hacked off.

Their is no way, and no reason, for the end user to continue to spend hundreds of dollars on their suites as if they are some holy fucking grail of application code. Yeah it's probably the best on the market, but not by some absurd margin. Free apps like open office are just going improve and improve and less and less will own legit copies of the office suite. I mean if you ghost machines you'll often find that word won't install correctly and when the end user tries to run the thing it will spend ten minutes configuring the shit. End users don't know how to fix that garbage, what's more at what point did the coding geniuses even consider that their should be a 10 minute configuring process for fucking word; shitty fucking code.

The AUC, they still have the balls to include the AUC - no fucking chance. You have to be retard strong to endure the type of berating you got the first time for you to continue applying that Bandaid bullshit to your kernel. AUC != a sandbox OS;AUC = gated community. Ok so you've got a bunch of holes in your OS and it has a hard time distinguishing between what should be executable and what not, and you want to protect your asses by saying that nothing in the OS can be modified without the users consent. So you create little town ordinances that declare your little community "gated", so now everyone who wants to get in has to walk up to the gate and ask.

Here's the fucking problem with that MS, when you 'tards set the gates up you forgot that their solid and opaque, and no one can see through them! That means no one can tell who the fuck is asking to be let in. The end user doesn't fucking know, the end user is fucking retarded. Don't ask the end user if he should do this, or that, and expect the end user to make the right choice. If the end user downloads a virus, and clicks on the prompt to run it, what are the chances that when the AUC comes up again asking whether or not to execute, that the end user is going to make the smart choice the second time around? If your kernel has that many fucking holes in it, you focus on the kernel and not covering your asses.

The super cache; I haven't used it enough to know for myself but from what I hear from a lot of my piers is that it's super gay. And does not function as was "intended" granted the idea sounds promising but if it doesn't work in practice then it's a waste of time. I don't know

The GUI, Ok it's prettier...I guess. Why oh why when I'm working on a users computer and want to get to network connections (because I don't see the nic appearing on the taskbar) do I have to navigate like three extra fucking windows? How is that a brilliant layout? Oh, I seriously crack up when I'm navigating a machine with vista, I'm in the control panel and I want to get to functionality X and I see a fucking load bar loading. There is an actual load to navigate the control panel, HOLY FUCKING SHIT; THIS LAPTOP HAS 4 GIGS OF RAM AND THEIR IS A LOAD TIME TO GET BETWEEN MENUS. 7 claims to be more efficient, but I'm reasonably skeptical.

Oh and another thing IE, just give it the fuck up and name someone your successor, so we don't have to make app's compatible with 40 odd browsers PLEASE.

Theirs more shit but I'm done venting my technician hate for now.

Soygen · 01-05-2009, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyen

If I were to install windows 7 x86 what drivers should I be looking for?

Uses Vista drivers, though a few of my driver installation packages didn't recognize Windows 7(build 7000) and I had to install them manually. So far it's much better than Vista. They really dropped the ball with Vista. Heh.

How do I get signed up for the public beta, so I can get my hands on a real key/copy whenever it starts?

Torrid · 01-05-2009, 08:54 PM

Haven't been paying much attention to Windows 7, but it's nice to hear Microsoft has learned a lesson. If I were to ever speak with "Developers Developers Developers Developers" Balmer himself, I would tell him "Performance Performance Performance Performance." MS needs to make Windows a desirable OS again, and they can do that by making it do the same stuff it has already been doing, better. Not by adding a bunch of garbage to it. I don't want to make fucking panoramic pictures.

They also need to tell their developers to fuck off and adopt to a new UNIX-like security model where the user usually does not have administrative powers. My fucking web browser and email client should not have fucking access to system files.

Also, they need to modularize these gay integrated programs more. I shouldn't need to run n-lite to remove this garbage. Also, people should not have to reformat every year or two to get optimal performance out of their machines. And fuck the registry.

Aegdaien · 01-05-2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Voyce

Nerd rage

I assume you run a self-written distro of Linux, amirite?

On a serious note - I'm stuck in a hotel for the next month which blocks all BT ports. Anyone have other sources for the build 7000 leak?

Quineloe · 01-05-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Zhaun's_Shade

A) What is "activation and DRM" and why don't I want it.

Digital rights management - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Zhaun's_Shade · 01-05-2009, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Quineloe

Digital rights management - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thanks Quin.

Designz · 01-05-2009, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voyce

Sounds like garbage to me, let me address my vista qualms, and what will likely be windows 7 qualms.

Firstly I don't care what their revenue scheme is, or the way they make money if Microsoft can't include word, and some butchered down photo shop "like" app in their OS they will lose their WP dominance. Adding functionality to wordpad and paint is a fucking insult and whoever thought they could get away with it should have their balls hacked off.

Their is no way, and no reason, for the end user to continue to spend hundreds of dollars on their suites as if they are some holy fucking grail of application code. Yeah it's probably the best on the market, but not by some absurd margin. Free apps like open office are just going improve and improve and less and less will own legit copies of the office suite. I mean if you ghost machines you'll often find that word won't install correctly and when the end user tries to run the thing it will spend ten minutes configuring the shit. End users don't know how to fix that garbage, what's more at what point did the coding geniuses even consider that their should be a 10 minute configuring process for fucking word; shitty fucking code.

Have you owned Office 2007? I think it's leaps and bounds better than anything else out there. The layouting and graphics capabilities are great. You can make your word document, ppt, etc. look professional and streamed very quickly with the tagging and layout tools. With the new graphics engine, custom colors and shapes can be applied with ease. No more need to look through the document and change things one by one.

A lot of people aren't aware of these new features or used to them, so they assume the new Office 2007 is just the same as all the others, except with the redesigned menu bar. Underneath the skin is a totally redesigned engine!

AladainAF · 01-05-2009, 10:02 PM

Is microsoft actually going to make people that bought Vista pay to upgrade to Windows 7?

Quineloe · 01-05-2009, 10:05 PM

Most people use less than 5% of what Word is capable of doing. Most people need it for one thing only: writing letters. If MS buffs Wordpad up so it can be used to write letters with (Which it actually already can imo) that's a good move.

Tuco · 01-05-2009, 10:07 PM

office 2007 can go to hell. 2003 is where it's at.

I installed this OS tonight. Overall it's what I expected. I had to manually mount my secondary Raptor HD, no big deal. DaemonTools and Alcohol120% don't work with it yet.

The only show-stopper was I couldn't get my audio drivers to work. I use Realtek HD Audio and I tried about 10 different versions, including XP ones

ran in all sorts of compatibility mode but nothing worked. Pretty infuriating. Google showed a lot of people able to use the same drivers easily, as well as the built in drivers for it.

I have a USB-based sound device at my parent's house I'll steal I guess for it.

As to the crap everyone is talking about, I don't really like it that much. People seem to like the new taskbar, but having to perform two clicks where I now have one isn't as useful to me. (One to go to google chrome, and another to select which window I want), combine that with not really wanting to decipher a tiny ass window and I prefer the old XP taskbar more. I imagine they'll include the option later to switch back to it, but for now there are extremely few options to get away from the sterile 'hands off' vista look.

As for performance and all that, I dunno. It's the same as vista for me but I didn't get too involved since after two hours of dicking with the sound drivers I gave up.

Quineloe · 01-05-2009, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuco

office 2007 can go to hell. 2003 is where it's at.

I installed this OS tonight. Overall it's what I expected. I had to manually mount my secondary Raptor HD, no big deal. DaemonTools and Alcohol120% don't work with it yet.

The only show-stopper was I couldn't get my audio drivers to work. I use Realtek HD Audio and I tried about 10 different versions, including XP ones

ran in all sorts of compatibility mode but nothing worked. Pretty infuriating. Google showed a lot of people able to use the same drivers easily, as well as the built in drivers for it.

I have a USB-based sound device at my parent's house I'll steal I guess for it.

As to the crap everyone is talking about, I don't really like it that much. People seem to like the new taskbar, but having to perform two clicks where I now have one isn't as useful to me. (One to go to google chrome, and another to select which window I want), combine that with not really wanting to decipher a tiny ass window and I prefer the old XP taskbar more. I imagine they'll include the option later to switch back to it, but for now there are extremely few options to get away from the sterile 'hands off' vista look.

As for performance and all that, I dunno. It's the same as vista for me but I didn't get too involved since after two hours of dicking with the sound drivers I gave up.

well, were the countless reboots you had to do for the driver tests at least faster?

Taking the number posted earlier, it would have taken you two hours and thirty minutes of dicking around before giving up on Vista

Voyce · 01-05-2009, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Designz

Have you owned Office 2007? I think it's leaps and bounds better than anything else out there. The layouting and graphics capabilities are great. You can make your word document, ppt, etc. look professional and streamed very quickly with the tagging and layout tools. With the new graphics engine, custom colors and shapes can be applied with ease. No more need to look through the document and change things one by one.

A lot of people aren't aware of these new features or used to them, so they assume the new Office 2007 is just the same as all the others, except with the redesigned menu bar. Underneath the skin is a totally redesigned engine!

Yup, I have and do use it I install it on peoples PCs all the time and am expected to be able to explain x,y,z functionality to end users all the time, I don't know it like the back of my hand but I really don't want too either.

I didn't, and don't deny that it is probably the best WP out there today, but that doesn't validate $150 for an app (from what I see you buy it as a packaged deal unless you get that shitty projects version or whatever). So I have to buy vista for $100-150 than another $150 for a WP.

So yeah Words better then any other WP but only exceptional if you absolutely need to have that special template blah de bleh blah blah setup. But I can manage without it easily, maybe your job makes an absolute must, but I can definitely work around it. So I'm not buying it, and why should I be interested in buying an OS that doesn't have the common decency to include a standard application like WP?

It's not like buying a house and expecting an Olympic sized pool, it's like buying a house and expecting to keep the refrigerator, and oven that the seller put in the house.

And giving you Wordpad in its place is like giving you a George Foreman grill...no you know what it's like giving you a hot plate in the oven's place!

I mean the best thing about word 2007 is that it can convert to PDF, seriously I like that a lot it saves me a lot of headaches, but otherwise it's just as much fluff as it is useful utility (which means it has a lot of both).

And no I don't run a Linux distribution, although I do like messing around with Ubuntu. I'm running 64bit xp pro right now, I get free access to Vista, XP pro, ect.... I only run it because its compatible with everything, and it's free for me, if more people developed for Mac, and Mac wasn't into proprietary hardware (best thing they did was switch to intel cores), I'd be running a Mac! The brand doesn't matter to me it's just the utility. (I wouldn't be happy either though Mac OSX10/leopard is just as bad as Windows Vista in so many ways)

It's not even like they need to include 2007, give us word 2003, I'd be content. Let the rich yuppies buy 2007, I bet if they included 2003 free with their OS's they'd have half as many people using 2007 as they do now. Which is why they don't, but it won't last, no one can afford to let it last.

Zehn - Vhex · 01-05-2009, 11:27 PM

windows key + r -> 'ncpa.cpl'

If you're a network guy in a vista environment, learn to love it like the dirty cocksucking slut she is.

01-05-2009, 07:55 PM	#18 (permalink)
Voyce Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 172 +6 Internets	Sounds like garbage to me, let me address my vista qualms, and what will likely be windows 7 qualms. Firstly I don't care what their revenue scheme is, or the way they make money if Microsoft can't include word, and some butchered down photo shop "like" app in their OS they will lose their WP dominance. Adding functionality to wordpad and paint is a fucking insult and whoever thought they could get away with it should have their balls hacked off. Their is no way, and no reason, for the end user to continue to spend hundreds of dollars on their suites as if they are some holy fucking grail of application code. Yeah it's probably the best on the market, but not by some absurd margin. Free apps like open office are just going improve and improve and less and less will own legit copies of the office suite. I mean if you ghost machines you'll often find that word won't install correctly and when the end user tries to run the thing it will spend ten minutes configuring the shit. End users don't know how to fix that garbage, what's more at what point did the coding geniuses even consider that their should be a 10 minute configuring process for fucking word; shitty fucking code. The AUC, they still have the balls to include the AUC - no fucking chance. You have to be retard strong to endure the type of berating you got the first time for you to continue applying that Bandaid bullshit to your kernel. AUC != a sandbox OS;AUC = gated community. Ok so you've got a bunch of holes in your OS and it has a hard time distinguishing between what should be executable and what not, and you want to protect your asses by saying that nothing in the OS can be modified without the users consent. So you create little town ordinances that declare your little community "gated", so now everyone who wants to get in has to walk up to the gate and ask. Here's the fucking problem with that MS, when you 'tards set the gates up you forgot that their solid and opaque, and no one can see through them! That means no one can tell who the fuck is asking to be let in. The end user doesn't fucking know, the end user is fucking retarded. Don't ask the end user if he should do this, or that, and expect the end user to make the right choice. If the end user downloads a virus, and clicks on the prompt to run it, what are the chances that when the AUC comes up again asking whether or not to execute, that the end user is going to make the smart choice the second time around? If your kernel has that many fucking holes in it, you focus on the kernel and not covering your asses. The super cache; I haven't used it enough to know for myself but from what I hear from a lot of my piers is that it's super gay. And does not function as was "intended" granted the idea sounds promising but if it doesn't work in practice then it's a waste of time. I don't know The GUI, Ok it's prettier...I guess. Why oh why when I'm working on a users computer and want to get to network connections (because I don't see the nic appearing on the taskbar) do I have to navigate like three extra fucking windows? How is that a brilliant layout? Oh, I seriously crack up when I'm navigating a machine with vista, I'm in the control panel and I want to get to functionality X and I see a fucking load bar loading. There is an actual load to navigate the control panel, HOLY FUCKING SHIT; THIS LAPTOP HAS 4 GIGS OF RAM AND THEIR IS A LOAD TIME TO GET BETWEEN MENUS. 7 claims to be more efficient, but I'm reasonably skeptical. Oh and another thing IE, just give it the fuck up and name someone your successor, so we don't have to make app's compatible with 40 odd browsers PLEASE. Theirs more shit but I'm done venting my technician hate for now. Last edited by Voyce; 01-05-2009 at 11:02 PM..

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01-05-2009, 07:09 PM	#16 (permalink)
Tyen The future, I came from it Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,664 +3 Internets	If I were to install windows 7 x86 what drivers should I be looking for?

01-05-2009, 07:13 PM	#17 (permalink)
Lenardo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,648 -23 Internets	pretty sure 7 uses vista drivers, i could be wrong.

01-05-2009, 08:54 PM	#20 (permalink)
Torrid Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,269	Haven't been paying much attention to Windows 7, but it's nice to hear Microsoft has learned a lesson. If I were to ever speak with "Developers Developers Developers Developers" Balmer himself, I would tell him "Performance Performance Performance Performance." MS needs to make Windows a desirable OS again, and they can do that by making it do the same stuff it has already been doing, better. Not by adding a bunch of garbage to it. I don't want to make fucking panoramic pictures. They also need to tell their developers to fuck off and adopt to a new UNIX-like security model where the user usually does not have administrative powers. My fucking web browser and email client should not have fucking access to system files. Also, they need to modularize these gay integrated programs more. I shouldn't need to run n-lite to remove this garbage. Also, people should not have to reformat every year or two to get optimal performance out of their machines. And fuck the registry.

01-05-2009, 10:05 PM	#26 (permalink)
Quineloe Hard Rock Hallelujah Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,614	Most people use less than 5% of what Word is capable of doing. Most people need it for one thing only: writing letters. If MS buffs Wordpad up so it can be used to write letters with (Which it actually already can imo) that's a good move.

01-05-2009, 10:07 PM	#27 (permalink)
Tuco Forum Janitor Join Date: May 2002 Location: Detroit Posts: 10,723 +75 Internets	office 2007 can go to hell. 2003 is where it's at. I installed this OS tonight. Overall it's what I expected. I had to manually mount my secondary Raptor HD, no big deal. DaemonTools and Alcohol120% don't work with it yet. The only show-stopper was I couldn't get my audio drivers to work. I use Realtek HD Audio and I tried about 10 different versions, including XP ones ran in all sorts of compatibility mode but nothing worked. Pretty infuriating. Google showed a lot of people able to use the same drivers easily, as well as the built in drivers for it. I have a USB-based sound device at my parent's house I'll steal I guess for it. As to the crap everyone is talking about, I don't really like it that much. People seem to like the new taskbar, but having to perform two clicks where I now have one isn't as useful to me. (One to go to google chrome, and another to select which window I want), combine that with not really wanting to decipher a tiny ass window and I prefer the old XP taskbar more. I imagine they'll include the option later to switch back to it, but for now there are extremely few options to get away from the sterile 'hands off' vista look. As for performance and all that, I dunno. It's the same as vista for me but I didn't get too involved since after two hours of dicking with the sound drivers I gave up.