Are Republicans still a National Party?

Araxen · 12-17-2008, 08:14 AM

Pretty interesting article from Nate:

FiveThirtyEight.com: Politics Done Right: Are the Republicans Still a National Party?

AladainAF · 12-17-2008, 08:27 AM

You know this kinda thing happens when you get your ass kicked in congress. Party has to make changes and re-invent themselves. Think about Congress in 1994 - the democrat got their butt kicked and had to "re-invent" themselves, and had the same problems the republicans are having now.

In fact, the "re-inventing" of the republicans started in 2006, they have just been slack as shit and doing a poor job of actually doing it.

Tenks · 12-17-2008, 08:31 AM

Good the party needs to reform itself. Get rid of these big government spendaholic republicans currently in office.

Araxen · 12-17-2008, 08:37 AM

They have a longer way to reinvent themselves than the Democrat's did. The Dems already had the latino and blacks in their pocket while the Republicans are still pretty far away from capturing this vote. The Dems nurtured them and got a huge turnout from both this time around and it paid off for them for being such a racially diverse party. The Republicans have a long way to go to become that diverse in their party. It's doable for them but it's going to take alot of time for them to do it.

Another question to ask is can they even handle becoming that diverse? They can't even keep the moderates and the conservatives from having a civil war in their party. So how can they handle even more diversity in their party?

Tenks · 12-17-2008, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Araxen

They have a longer way to reinvent themselves than the Democrat's did. The Dems already had the latino and blacks in their pocket while the Republicans are still pretty far away from capturing this vote. The Dems nurtured them and got a huge turnout from both this time around and it paid off for them for being such a racially diverse party. The Republicans have a long way to go to become that diverse in their party. It's doable for them but it's going to take alot of time for them to do it. Another question to ask is can they even handle becoming that diverse? They can't even keep the moderates and the conservatives from having a civil war in their party can they handle even more diversity in their party?

Wait, what? Explain. How the hell did they nurture them? By insulting their intelligence and saying that they can't live without a massive government shadow over them? By making large and obviously false promises about how great things are going to be with this massive government and failing to provide these promises?

Blacks and Lats vote democrat because they are uninformed sheep. The democratic party is not about the 'little guy' its about the 'massive fucking government' and insulting the populations intelligence thinking we don't know how to run our own lives.

Araxen · 12-17-2008, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Tenks

Blacks and Lats vote democrat because they are uninformed sheep.

The same could be said about the people that vote for the republican party...they are all uninformed sheep.

MrSpitz · 12-17-2008, 08:44 AM

After the election I would say yes.

After southern republicans blocking the bailout bill for automakers I say no. They were weak in the northeast as it is, and they basically just lost it. No matter how many corny interviews you read about those wonderful souls at the token Honda plant, by and large the north east will not forget that. Probably not for a long time. It's different when you have three or four autoplants in your city.

So no, I think after this latest move they are not.

Tenks · 12-17-2008, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Araxen

The same could be said about the people that vote for the republican party...they are all uninformed sheep.

If you're talking about the 'morans' in the south who vote Republican because they hate minorities then yes I agree with you. However you brought nothing to the table with this statement. At least I went on to explain very briefly why I believe what I do.

I don't know if the blacks and lats really want the government to give them handouts because they fucked up their own lives or if they just don't know what the (vintage) republican party is all about. Personally I would be offended if the government thought my life sucked so badly that the rich people should take care of me. I guess others have far less pride than I do.

Sharmai · 12-17-2008, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Tenks

Big goverment Big government Big government Big government Big government Big government Big government Big government Big government Big government Big government Big governmentBig government Big government

Sigh.. I'm tired of hearing about the stereotypical small government republicans vs big government democrats. How about Efficient government? As large as it needs to be to do whatever job deemed necessary but the people as efficiently as possible?

If that meant that the government owned car dealerships because it was across the board determined to be better then so be it. And if it turned out that that's a horribly bad idea and car dealerships should be owned by the people for better competition, prices, availability, etc. then so be it.

Fuck size just give me the best working government and we can nitpick about who owns the fiber optic lines later.

The republican party is quickly become the party of the religious fervent and the democratic party is appealing to the more open thinkers (who may or may not still be religious not not a zealot).

I'm Rich Bitch · 12-17-2008, 09:28 AM

If by "National" you mean "The fly over states that don't matter and the ignorant hicks in the South", then yes.

After 4 years of Obama my guess is that even the fly overs will not support Republicans. At that point the Republican party will have completed it's conversion over to a Southern-only, white male-only, Christian-only, racist party of hatred yelling shit from the sidelines about illegal Mexicans, Muslims, Blacks, Clinton, Obama, the Liberal Bias Media and not paying taxes like a KKK version of Rain Man with a secret fantasy to fuck Sarah Palin.

Tenks · 12-17-2008, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sharmai

democratic party is appealing to the more open thinkers (who may or may not still be religious not not a zealot).

LMAOs? Open thinking + minority do not go hand in hand. Just look at how narrow minded the black vote was in California. Obama single handedly shot down gay marriage in California because he instituted such a narrow minded posse behind him. If democrats were actually open minded thinkers they would have opened their brains and realized Obama has accomplished nothing in his terms in government and brought no real solutions to the table rather just pie in the sky idealogical statements.

I'm not saying you're incorrect on the Republican statements. I'm not too happy with the party personally. Democrats and Republicans are equally narrow minded -- they just have different ideas they're deeply entrenched in.

Heylel Teomim · 12-17-2008, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Tenks

If you're talking about the 'morans' in the south who vote Republican because they hate minorities then yes I agree with you. However you brought nothing to the table with this statement. At least I went on to explain very briefly why I believe what I do.

I don't know if the blacks and lats really want the government to give them handouts because they fucked up their own lives or if they just don't know what the (vintage) republican party is all about. Personally I would be offended if the government thought my life sucked so badly that the rich people should take care of me. I guess others have far less pride than I do.

You're as much a bigot with that statement as the 'morans' you deride. You just don't seem to realize it.

Tenks · 12-17-2008, 10:42 AM

Awesome! More sweeping generic statements with no backup! My favorite part of FoH General!

Sharmai · 12-17-2008, 11:20 AM

It's a good thing that minority's do not make up the majority of the Democratic party. I agree with you that my black counter parts make up a largely racist and ignorant bunch but if I were to compare the overall democratic party with against the overall republican party I'd believe I'd find more zealots in the republican party then I would the democratic party.

I wouldn't be surprised if a third or 4th party popped up.
1: One party for the heavily religious (white + minorities)
2: One party for conservative thinkers (white + minorities)
3: One party for liberal thinkers (white + minorities)
4: One party for the heavily racist and religious (almost all white)

Dr. Funkenstein · 12-17-2008, 11:20 AM

Awesome. A bunch of Red Sox arguing about what the Yankees should do to start winning again.

Obama won because he's cute, he talks good, and he isn't Bush. Democrats lead in Congress because the 2006 elections took place when Bush was at his lowest and no one could figure out how to sell "Republican" when the Republican leader was considered a failure by so many.

In other words: it's all backlash. It's like a chick shacking up with a beefy, tatooed construction worker after her metro-sexual rich business man cheats on her.

The Reps got nothing conservative done in the 6 years they were fully in charge. That's a good way to lose conservatives. An even better way is to listen to a bunch of liberals tell them that they need to be even less conservative if they want to win. "If the Republicans want to win again, they should become more like Democrats". Right.

Put some staunch fiscal conservatives (the kind that actually want to shrink government/cut spending, not the kind that just want to lower taxes) in party leadership positions to counter the soon to come government expansions and the Republicans will win more votes come 2010.

12-17-2008, 08:14 AM	#1 (permalink)
Araxen A Bearded Gnome Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Near Chicago, IL Posts: 4,912	Are Republicans still a National Party? Pretty interesting article from Nate: FiveThirtyEight.com: Politics Done Right: Are the Republicans Still a National Party? __________________ PSN: Araxen http://www.last.fm/user/araxen The Best FAQ on the Internet: The Official God FAQ

12-17-2008, 08:27 AM	#2 (permalink)
AladainAF Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,930 -42 Internets	You know this kinda thing happens when you get your ass kicked in congress. Party has to make changes and re-invent themselves. Think about Congress in 1994 - the democrat got their butt kicked and had to "re-invent" themselves, and had the same problems the republicans are having now. In fact, the "re-inventing" of the republicans started in 2006, they have just been slack as shit and doing a poor job of actually doing it. __________________ Vexacion (Elyos) - Marchutan

12-17-2008, 08:37 AM	#4 (permalink)
Araxen A Bearded Gnome Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Near Chicago, IL Posts: 4,912	They have a longer way to reinvent themselves than the Democrat's did. The Dems already had the latino and blacks in their pocket while the Republicans are still pretty far away from capturing this vote. The Dems nurtured them and got a huge turnout from both this time around and it paid off for them for being such a racially diverse party. The Republicans have a long way to go to become that diverse in their party. It's doable for them but it's going to take alot of time for them to do it. Another question to ask is can they even handle becoming that diverse? They can't even keep the moderates and the conservatives from having a civil war in their party. So how can they handle even more diversity in their party? __________________ PSN: Araxen http://www.last.fm/user/araxen The Best FAQ on the Internet: The Official God FAQ Last edited by Araxen; 12-17-2008 at 08:40 AM..

12-17-2008, 09:28 AM	#10 (permalink)
I'm Rich Bitch Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 5,064 -111 Internets	If by "National" you mean "The fly over states that don't matter and the ignorant hicks in the South", then yes. After 4 years of Obama my guess is that even the fly overs will not support Republicans. At that point the Republican party will have completed it's conversion over to a Southern-only, white male-only, Christian-only, racist party of hatred yelling shit from the sidelines about illegal Mexicans, Muslims, Blacks, Clinton, Obama, the Liberal Bias Media and not paying taxes like a KKK version of Rain Man with a secret fantasy to fuck Sarah Palin. Last edited by I'm Rich Bitch; 12-17-2008 at 09:33 AM..

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12-17-2008, 08:31 AM	#3 (permalink)
Tenks Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,622	Good the party needs to reform itself. Get rid of these big government spendaholic republicans currently in office.

12-17-2008, 08:44 AM	#7 (permalink)
MrSpitz look at me! i'm so cool! i'm impervious to the internet! nothing bothers me! Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 848 -38 Internets	After the election I would say yes. After southern republicans blocking the bailout bill for automakers I say no. They were weak in the northeast as it is, and they basically just lost it. No matter how many corny interviews you read about those wonderful souls at the token Honda plant, by and large the north east will not forget that. Probably not for a long time. It's different when you have three or four autoplants in your city. So no, I think after this latest move they are not.

12-17-2008, 10:42 AM	#13 (permalink)
Tenks Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,622	Awesome! More sweeping generic statements with no backup! My favorite part of FoH General!

12-17-2008, 11:20 AM	#15 (permalink)
Dr. Funkenstein Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,162 -32 Internets	Awesome. A bunch of Red Sox arguing about what the Yankees should do to start winning again. Obama won because he's cute, he talks good, and he isn't Bush. Democrats lead in Congress because the 2006 elections took place when Bush was at his lowest and no one could figure out how to sell "Republican" when the Republican leader was considered a failure by so many. In other words: it's all backlash. It's like a chick shacking up with a beefy, tatooed construction worker after her metro-sexual rich business man cheats on her. The Reps got nothing conservative done in the 6 years they were fully in charge. That's a good way to lose conservatives. An even better way is to listen to a bunch of liberals tell them that they need to be even less conservative if they want to win. "If the Republicans want to win again, they should become more like Democrats". Right. Put some staunch fiscal conservatives (the kind that actually want to shrink government/cut spending, not the kind that just want to lower taxes) in party leadership positions to counter the soon to come government expansions and the Republicans will win more votes come 2010.